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Jesus Speaks on What Is to Come After the Rapture, Order of Events (Video)
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The angel Gabriel was sent to a fine young woman named Mary. He told her that she would have a child who would rule as king forever. The child, Jesus, was born in a stable, where shepherds visited him. Later, a star guided men from the East to the young child. We learn who caused them to see that star, and how Jesus was saved from the efforts to kill him.
Next, we find Jesus, when he was 12 years old, talking with the teachers in the temple. Eighteen years later Jesus was baptized, and he then began the Kingdom preaching and teaching work that God sent him to earth to do. To help him in this work, Jesus chose 12 men and made them his apostles.
Jesus also did many miracles. He fed thousands of people with only a few small fishes and a few loaves of bread. He healed the sick and even raised the dead. Finally, we learn about the many things that happened to Jesus during the last day of his life, and how he was killed. Jesus preached for about three and a half years, so it covers a period of a little more than 34 years.
What did Jesus have to say about the rapture? Here are some oldies but goodies from Youtube video.
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The Rapture teaching is False Doctrine.
No it is Not. It is clearly described in the Bible. If you have never read about it, you can see all the scriptures that confirm not only the Rapture, but also when it will happen on my website. That is what the Book of Revelation is about….it reveals what will happen in the last days. All you have to do is read it. Jesus spoke about the resurrection and rapture a lot. Here is the study confirming it. http://www.itshisstory.com
Putting aside any forced scriptural assumptions, Jango, what evidence is there that a pre-trib argument was made prior to 1830?
In the absence of a succinct Bible verse, or the support of the early church, it is highly likely that this nonsense is merely a cash cow for failing churches?
Why are end time “christians” so vain to think they are more special to be saved from persecution by the so-called rapture than all the christians throughout history, and even today, who have been persecuted and killed.
False teaching , pritchett click bait
Quote: I host the Church of Mabus.
By Ron P
In the early 1990′s, after the gulf war ended, Nostradamus followers wildly speculated that Suddam Hussein was the third Anti-Christ. Many scholars have interpreted Nostradamus’ prophecies over the years. The common consensus is that the first Anti-Christ, named Napaulon Roy was Napoleon, the second named Hister was Hitler and the third was named
Mabus.
P.S.
Napoleon A- Blood Type.
Hitler A- Blood Type.
Trump A- Blood Type.
Trump-et Call To Penance, Penance, Penance
http://seansforum.freeforums.net/thread/77/trump-et-call-penance
Pritchett worships Trump along with the rest at B4IN.
They are Not written in the Book of Life.
I belong to no political party and I worship no politician. All are vermin to me. I am looking at your forum Sean and find some things on it very interesting. Drop me an email sometime mabusincarnate@gmail.com Sincerely Mabus ha ha
THERE I$ NO “biblical” RAPTURE
There is a SIN-a-GOG of $atan…..aka…..Catholic “church” DECEPTION.
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70th week of Daniel DECEPTION summary
As you can see, the covenant that is referenced in Daniel 9:27 was fulfilled by the Messiah Jesus, who was ratifying the Abrahamic Covenant of ‘salvation by faith’ with His shed blood.
It is not an end-time antichrist making a peace covenant with Israel, it is Jesus offering His new covenant to the house of Israel and with the house of Judah for 7 years, before it was also offered to the nations (gentiles).
This completely invalidates the framework for an end-times Antichrist making a peace covenant with Israel.
And along with it, it INVALIDATES the concepts of the 7-year TRIBULATION period, the need for a rebuilt Jewish temple, the antichrist desecrating the temple and his 3 1/2 years of Great Tribulation.
And if there is NO 7-YEAR TRIBULATION PERIOD, then THE PRE-TRIBULATION RAPTURE CONCEPT IS PROVEN TO BE A MYTH. For an in-depth Bible study on the rapture, click on The Pretribulation Rapture Myth.
http://christianitybeliefs.org/end-times-deceptions/70-weeks-of-daniel-covenant-deception/
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End Times DECEPTION summary
Let’s start with the 70th week of Daniel, as most of the enemy’s deceptions are based on the concept of a futuristic 7-year tribulation period.
The 70th week of Daniel was fulfilled on time, after the 69th week, from 27-34 A.D; when Messiah and His disciples confirmed with the Jews for seven years, that He was the promised Messiah, who ratified the everlasting covenant as the Passover Lamb.
After the 70th week of Daniel was over, the Gospel was also shared with the Gentile nations; so that the temple of Messiah would be made up of Jews and Gentiles.
In the 16th century the JESUITS of ROME sought to counter the Reformation by CREATING the NARRATIVE about a one-man antichrist in a supposed end-times 70th week of Daniel, to try to deflect blame away from the Popes of Rome; as the Protestant Reformers had rightly identified them as the Son of Perdition of 2 Thessalonians 2 and the antichrist beast of Revelation 13.
http://christianitybeliefs.org/end-times-deceptions/
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Quote from the ART-TICKLE above ….What did Jesus have to say about the rapture?
YOU MIGHT LIKE to ENTERTAIN the IDEA that a “Jesus” talking about a NON-EXISTENT “rapture” may well be an IMPOSTER
….Luciferian WANNABE……..GEEzu$ $ananda and hi$$ 12 x DWARF$.
Maybe you should stop listening.
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ALIEN NATION the so-called Galactic Federation !
Many of those involved with elite Satanic groups such as the Brotherhood have described… SATAN i.e. LUCIFER… as being blonde…Others describe a council of CON-TROLL-ER$ behind the scenes RULING everything and directing ALL THE SECRET SOCIETIES, groups, GOVERNMENT$, ILLUMINATI etc..BEHIND THE SCENES.
Are they describing Lord Ashtar and the Ashtar Command?
They have “UFO” ships over 30 miles long and up to 300 miles long…the Capricorn is the Main Star Ship and is Light Blue in color typically located in the North Western sky…
THEY PREACH….ASCENSION…..BUT…THEY WILL BRING DESTRUCTION…..
Their symbols are seen everywhere…
Who and What is this Council that rules above the Earth and DIRECTS THE STEPS OF THE NEW WORLD ORDER, New Age, AND THE RELIGIONS on Earth?
Who is it that CONTROLS MEN, governments, and every nation on earth?
They are called the Ashtar Command, the GALACTIC Federation, Ascended Masters, $ATAN’S RULING Elite,
There are…
13 Members of The Ashtar Council (there are thousands under their command)
LUCIFER (boss) aka Lord Ashtar and HIS 12 DWARF$ ….since HE PLAY$ two characters Lord Ashtar and $ANANDA Jesus.
1. SANANDA (LUCIFER…”ACTS”..THROUGH HIM) 2. Maitreya 3. St. Germaine 4. Lady Magda/Eve 5. Lilith 6. Hatton 7. Korton 8. Monka 9. Soltec 10. Azrael 11. Inca 12. Uriel
http://www.sherrytalkradio.com/ashtar.htm
Jesus is false doctrine. So what do u know?
Jesus was a tranny
Yes he was which is why he represents the penis
He was a pathetic idiot, a retard. jesus is a loser.
First of all, what most Christians refer to as the “rapture” will occur at the conclusion of the Great Tribulation at Christ’s Second Coming:
Matthew 24:29 “But immediately AFTER THE TRIBULATION [emphasis mine] of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light, and the stars will fall from the sky [lit. heaven], and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. 30 And then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in the sky, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of the sky with power and great glory. 31 And He will send forth His angels with a great trumpet and they will gather together His elect [lit. chosen ones] from the four winds, from one end of the sky to the other. (NASB)
Mark 13:24 “But in those days, AFTER THE TRIBULATION [emphasis mine], the sun will be darkened and the moon will not give its light, 25 and the stars will be falling from heaven, and the powers that are in the heavens will be shaken. 26 Then they will see the Son of Man coming in clouds with great power and glory. 27 And then He will send forth the angels, and will gather together His elect [lit. chosen ones] from the four winds, from the farthest end of the earth to the farthest end of heaven. (NASB)
This event will occur on Zichron Teruah (=Memorial of Blasting [of trumpets and shofar]) on the first day of the seventh month of the calendar of the Most High discovered in Qumran; see http://www.haderech.info/DSS/Calendar/QumranCalendar.pdf.
Next up is “the Great and terrible day of the Lord” also known as Judgment Day. This will occur shortly thereafter on Yom Kippur (=Day of Atonement) on the tenth day of the seventh month. The flip-side of atonement is judgment. #DontBeAGoat
After all the unrighteous are thrown into the lake of fire known as Gehenna, then the Marriage Supper of the Lamb will occur from the 15th through the 22nd of the seventh month. In the days after Judgment Day, the New Heaven and New Earth will be created, and the New Jerusalem will descend from Heaven. The marriage will be between Christ and New Jerusalem:
Revelation 21:9 Then one of the seven angels who had the seven bowls full of the seven last plagues came and spoke with me, saying, “Come here, I will show you the bride, the wife of the Lamb.”
The New Jerusalem
10 And he carried me away in the Spirit to a great and high mountain, and showed me the holy city, Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, 11 having the glory of God. Her brilliance was like a very costly stone, as a stone of crystal-clear jasper. 12 It had a great and high wall, with twelve gates, and at the gates twelve angels; and names were written on them, which are the names of the twelve tribes of the sons of Israel. 13 There were three gates on the east and three gates on the north and three gates on the south and three gates on the west. 14 And the wall of the city had twelve foundation stones, and on them were the twelve names of the twelve apostles of the Lamb. (NASB)
At the completion of the Marriage Supper of the Lamb, Christ’s millennial rule will commence.
That’s it in a nutshell, folks! Study the Scriptures; THIS is what the Word says. We’ve been bamboozled by “Biblical scholars,” denominationalism, and false teachers. #WakeUp
Copyright (C) 1995-2017, L. Alan Schuetz
The rapture is ridiculous fabrication of minds who lack scriptural understanding. It’s a sick fable constructed by those opposing the one true Eternal God, Yahweh. Having not the Spirit of God they fail to grasp what has been revealed through the Word. They are blinded by delusion, devising alternative to all that’s true. Let me point out that this same religious entities, the same false doctrine suggest that man has an immortal spirit that upon his or her death either ascends to heaven or descends to a torturous eternity in hell, all of which is totally and absolutely inaccurate.
Let’s begin with the immortal spirit fallacy. Man is a physical being when he dies according to scripture he returns to the ground. From dust man came and to dust he will return. Genesis 3:19 (KJV) In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return.
When returned to dust man has absolutely no thought process. There is no conscious spirit whatsoever. Ecclesiastes 9:5-6 (KJV) For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten. 6 Also their love, and their hatred, and their envy, is now perished; neither have they any more a portion for ever in any thing that is done under the sun.
The scriptures tell us that man will be resurrected by God at the appropriate time, according to God’s Will. There will be 144,000 who will be raised to spirit in the first resurrection, which is scheduled to occur upon Christ’s return. Everyone else must wait until the second resurrection that occurs at the end of Christ’s millennial rein. They, unlike their predecessors will be raised to a restored physical presence able to return to their former state of death if after a short period of evaluation they still reject God and refuse to repent. This is the second death.
The second death is an eternal punishment, the wage of sin just as God forwarded mankind it would be. Romans 6:23 (KJV) For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.
If we stop and honestly think about it, we understand that Christ provided man with a remarkable example of to whom and what to pray for by giving us the lords prayer. Scripture is always the best authority. Matthew 6:10 (KJV) Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven.
The final book in the bible, the book of Revelation reveals prophesy of the final stage of God’s plan. His intention to establish His Family, Elohim here on earth is reaffirmed.
Speaking of the 144,000 raised to spirit in the first resurrection: Revelation 20:4 (KJV) And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years. 5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection. 6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
Speaking of the second resurrection; Revelation 20:12 (KJV) And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works. 13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works. 14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. 15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.
The lake of fire is symbolic of everlasting destruction. It’s like when trash is incinerated it’s gone forever. Hell is merely the grave where man rests in death until resurrection there is no fiery place of endless torture. As was mentioned above the wage for sin is death.
In the next chapter 21 we get a clear grasp on exactly what God’s intended. We can better understand Yahweh’s plan for His most cherished accomplishment, mankind.Revelation 21:1-8 (KJV) And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea. 2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband. 3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God. 4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away. 5 And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful. 6 And he said unto me, It is done. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. I will give unto him that is athirst of the fountain of the water of life freely. 7 He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son. 8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.
This might be a good time to point out that after a period of evaluation, after standing before the Great White Throne those who repent and accept God will progress to a spiritual essence joining their first fruit brothers and sisters who were raised in the first Resurrection. The Spiritual Family of God is to be eternal like our heavenly Father and His Son Jesus Christ.
In closing let me caution everyone about accepting or advocating to others the blasphemous doctrine of the biblical harlot or false religion that may cost you personally or another salvation. I urge you to remember Revelation 20:12 (KJV) And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.
I pray this helps you better understand the truly miraculous plan God has for creating Elohim, His Spiritual family here on earth.
Deputy Dawg
Believers’ Souls Do NOT Go To Heaven!
One of the biggest hoaxes that modern churches have thrust upon us is concerning the disposition of the soul after death. Almost universally, Christians will vehemently state the souls of deceased believers immediately go to Heaven, but that is NOT what the Scriptures state. So, if not Heaven, then where (if anywhere)?
Most Christians believe they belong to “New Testament churches;” therefore, they have no use for the Old Testament. But, what did Christ say on this subject? Examine Matthew 5:17-19: https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew+5%3A17-19&version=NASB. Is Christ a liar? Have all things been fulfilled? If you think so, then why is there a need for His Second Coming?
In fact, this ALL revolves around His Second Coming and the appointed times (Heb. mo’edim) in the Fall — known by the Jewry as the Days of Awe. So, where do ALL souls go after death — both the righteous and the wicked? The Bible calls this specific place by three names:
* Sheol (65x in the OT) – http://biblehub.com/hebrew/7585.htm;
* Hades (10x in the NT; 4x in Revelation) – http://biblehub.com/greek/86.htm; and
* Paradise (3x in the NT; this portion of Sheol/Hades is for believers only) – http://biblehub.com/greek/3857.htm.
To be perfectly clear, none of these is Hell (which is a misnomer; see http://biblehub.com/greek/1067.htm) nor the false precept of Purgatory; see https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Purgatory.
This is what the Bible states, and this is but a sampling of each:
* Numbers 16:25-35 (concentrate on vv 30,33 as well as the footnotes): https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Numbers+16%3A25-35&version=NASB
* Job 7:7-10 (notice that it’s always DOWN to Sheol): https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Job+7%3A7-10&version=NASB
* Acts 2:22-36 (concentrate on vv 27,30-31,34-35): https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Acts+2%3A22-36&version=NASB
The passage in Acts 2 is important as even Christ’s soul descended into the netherworld of Sheol/Hades/Paradise. Recall that He was dead and buried for THREE DAYS AND NIGHTS (15-17 Abib) in accordance with the Jonah prophesy; see https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew+12%3A38-41&version=NASB.
Examine the Greek word translated as “Paradise” again: http://biblehub.com/greek/3857.htm. It is a park, a garden, an enclosure! The souls of both the righteous and the wicked DESCEND to the netherworld — using whatever name desired: Sheol, Hades, or Paradise.
* Ezekiel 31:15-17 https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Ezekiel+31%3A15-17&version=NASB
* Luke 23:39-43: https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Luke+23%3A39-43&version=NASB
Can you handle the truth? Judgment Day — aka the great and terrible Day of the Lord — will occur on a future Yom Kippur (=Day of Atonement). The flip-side of atonement is… judgment!
* Revelation 20:12-15: https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Revelation+20%3A12-15&version=NASB
Those who are TRUE believers in Christ (https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John+3%3A16-21&version=NASB) will be given Grace, which is a judicial pardon on Judgment Day at His Second Coming! His First Coming was as the Suffering Servant of Isaiah 53 who brought salvation to the world. His Second is as the conquering priestly king of the order of Melchizedek (Heb. Malki-tsedeq; =my king is righteous[ness]) vanquishing all evil and establishing His Kingdom — where believers will ultimately reside — on the New Earth.
Those who do not believe in Him will be judged by the Law of Moses, found guilty, and will be thrown into the lake of fire known as Gehenna; examine http://biblehub.com/greek/1067.htm again.
Only three people, who were born incarnate on Earth, are currently in Heaven: 1) Christ, who was resurrected, transfigured, and ascended to the right hand of the Father; 2) Enoch; and 3) Elijah. The latter two are the witnesses (or the metaphorical lampstands [representing the Light of the Word] and olive trees [representing the anointing of the Word]) of Revelation. As ALL humans MUST die (i.e., the first death), the two witnesses will as well in Jerusalem; see https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Revelation+11%3A3-13&version=NASB.
Note: Jerusalem is mystically called Sodom and Egypt in this passage; it is also called Mystery Babylon as rabbinic Jews follow the Babylonian calendar in which the fourth month is named after the Babylonian deity Tammuz, put more faith in the Talmud Bavli (Babylonian Talmud) than they do in the TaNaKh (OT), and recite Adonai for the Tetragrammaton which invokes the Greek Adonis and Babylonian Tammuz. That’s why it’s necessary for an undefiled New Jerusalem to descend from the New Heaven to the New Earth. Also, the two witnesses are taken back up into Heaven after they are resurrected. Their bodies/temples were specially prepared (or at least Enoch’s was documented as being so); in the Book of Enoch, what appeared to be a hot coal was pressed to his lips to purify him. Focus on v5 if anyone desires to harm them before their time of prophesying is completed; see https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Revelation+11%3A5&version=NASB. These are no longer regular human beings as we know them.
After the wicked are thrown into Gehenna in perpetuity, the Marriage Supper of the Lamb between Christ and the New Jerusalem will commence on Sukkot (=Feast of Tabernacles); see https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Revelation+21%3A9-14&version=NASB.
To recap, this is the order of the resurrection that will occur just before Judgment Day: https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1+Corinthians+15%3A20-58&version=NASB.
So, there you have it, folks… The souls of the deceased — even the righteous/elect — are certainly NOT in Heaven. Not Adam, who was a literal son of God (see Luke 3:38); not Abraham; not Moses; not David; not Mary — NO ONE save Christ at this time.
Shema Yisrael!
#QuestionEverything
Copyright (C) 1995-2017, L. Alan Schuetz
Where would the thief on the cross be in Luke 23:43?
Exactly….Jesus told the thief….this very day I will see you in Paradise. BUT a day can be a thousand years…
With the Lord a day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years are like a day. 2 Peter 3:8 It appears that with the Almighty His time table is so very different that ours, or even our concepts for that matter. The Greatness of the Word of God far surpasses our comprehension, just as His Love is so far beyond our understanding. What a mighty God we serve.
Why don’t you write an article instead of just a huge comment? You have interesting points.
You forgot about Moses when he came down on the Mt of transfiguration. Also you forgot those who cry out to God for revenge of their death for their faith. Seems there are more with God than you let on too.
123’s of true Christianity v popular & damnable heresies
#1 “ANOTHER JESUS”:
-“ONE” not triune: Mark 12:28…Which is the first commandment of all? 29. …Hear, O Israel; THE LORD OUR GOD IS ONE LORD: 30. And ………..this is the first commandment….. 31. And the second is….. IF YOU CAN’T GET THIS “FIRST OF ALL COMMANDMENTS” RIGHT, ALL THE REST OF YOUR “FAITH” AND PREACHING ON LOVE & SIN IS MOOT….. (NOTE: And yes, the specific Greek and Hebrew words used also and only define one person contrary to the ridiculous obfuscation attempts of some!?!)
PART 4 & 5 HOW MANY GODS ARE THERE FOR THE ONE GOD TO TALK TO?? Who was Jesus praying to??!?…. The real question should be … How does having multiple different persons keep this one God/being/entity from praying to himself?! (The trinitarian “schizophrenic” “god-head”) The Trinitarians want to have their cake and eat it too as the saying goes. On the one hand they need to say they only worship one indivisible God being/ entity but on the other hand they feel the need for some reason to keep Jesus or God from praying and talking to himself by dividing him up into different persons!?! It never occurs to them that that since there is only one indivisible God to pray too and Jesus is that indivisible God come in the flesh that he would need to talk to himself as to show us how to live, suffer, pray and die for our/ flesh) benefit not his!?!….. So while Trinitarians are quick to complain that God was not talking to himself at Christ baptism or in Gen “let us” they ignore the logical demands of their own theology! If Jesus is the ONE GOD in flesh and the Father is the SAME ONE GOD in heaven then Trinitarianism demands THE ONE GOD is talking to HIMSELF! Claiming that God is multiple different persons as the reason for why God is not talking to himself (because God is three different “selfs”) only demonstrates that what they really worship is in fact not a ONE GOD who talks to himself but three different god “selfs”/ and they all talk to each other! When they speak about who God was talking and praying to, they are quick to say “the other person, NOT HIMSELF!” But if you ask them how many gods do they pray to then they will say “ONLY ONE”!?! They expect you to believe that those three different persons are THE ONE GOD-BEING” which is like calling three different cars “THE ONE VEHICLE” (text book examples of prov 26:12)
-PART 5 Echad, Echad, my God, God is Echad!….:The Greek word pros in Jn 1:1 does not demand nor demonstrate multiple different persons because:
1. The definitions (without forced conclusions stuffed in) are just as equally valid as reference to parts of the same person (modalisim) Your head and your right arm have close relationship to each other; can be facing, towards, relating to, moving to, in the direction of, to, unto, looking to; even at home with, a living union, in the presence of, a common ground, closeness They are still both distinct and different from each other and yet they are of both the same person. Ironically the scriptures use the very same terms to describe father and son.
2. Ironically and most hypocritically, the trinitarians are trying to appeal to the anthropomorphisms (they claim this passage implies) to demonstrate different persons while at the same time denying the very anthropomorphisms that God himself specifically in scriptures uses to define the son and the son’s relationship to the father. Apparently only the literal anthropomorphisms that trintiarins “see’ exist while the one’s that God himself uses should not be taken too literal or too anthropomorphic or seriously. Is the face anthropomorphic and or literal face or just some metaphor? Either way the problem for trinitarians still exist and simply does not cease with linguistic distractions. There are many different types of faces; face of a clock; face of a mirror; face of one’s palm. Further, the face of one’s palm would be totally consistent with the anthropomorphism that God uses when discussing his own right arm as the son! So either way, a literal and or anthropomorphic face or a metaphorical face in close relationship only leaves the trinitarinas peddling an empty argument hoping no one notices the fact that this argument is nothing more then delusional smoke and mirrors for “the faithful” and for everyone else, well, just “never mind that man behind the curtain”.
3. You cant appeal to your own desired and or preconceived conclusions as evidence that your methodology in arriving at your conclusions are valid. [ie the use of Jn 1:18 et al as proof that Jn1:1 supports different persons in Jn1:18 et al or visa versa ] How difficult can they make these simple things? The God in heaven is a he but cannot be known except by the he who is the same God in flesh! So why can’t they be the same he again? It should not be difficult to understand since:
A. The same God who is in heaven is on earth and the difference need only be of circumstance which at least we know that much to be factually true [spirit only v spirit in human flesh] There is no further need or demand for different individual persons since all the different he’s are in fact the same HE!. Trying to claim that God is multiple different “He(s)” who make up the one being either leaves your God to be a “it” that consist of different he(s) or a“God being” who is a he while simultaneously consisting of different individual he(s) [Father-he; Son=he; Holy Spirit=he].
B. If you find no difficulty in accepting that God is a he that consist of father son and holy spirit also referred to each as a different he and yet all the same he then what is the point to claiming different persons again? How is the multitude of hes who are all the same he show or demand different persons rather than different circumstances of the same person who is in fact “HE”?
In any case, the trinitarian inconsistency and or incoherence will never be resolved by simply chalking it all up to “how great thou art” unless you willingly and blindly “drink the cool aid” calling it “faith”. True faith is in the words of God (including the specific anthropomorphism God himself uses) not in wild created imaginations of three different persons with different minds, locations and instructions for each other that is somehow not a pantheon of three gods who are only “one in terms of purpose not one god!….To deny the father is to deny the son because they are one and the same person that came in the flesh! Trinitarians confess & preach literally …”ANOTHER JESUS” 2 Cor 11:4
-JOHN 14: 8-20 ….[Note Isaiah 9:6. For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: …: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counseller, … the everlasting Father] ….The son, father/Holy Spirit are all the same person, NOT like two different persons working together even as “one flesh” ….The “oneness” between Christ and the father is not comparable to a man & his wife, for only a fool would say “When you have seen me you have seen my wife, how sayest thou then, Shew us your wife?” Notice they asked to see THE FATHER and the response was Jn 14:9 ..“HAVE I BEEN SO LONG time with you, and yet hast THOU NOT KNOW ME, Philip…..Now image some fool trying to claim that statement if you asked to see his wife!?!!? You want to see the FATHER but have I been with you but you don’t know me!?!?!
Jn 14 continued….…………..17. Even THE SPIRIT OF TRUTH; (Jn 14:6 I AM the way, THE TRUTH,) whom the world cannot receive, .. for HE DEWLLETH WITH YOU, (present tense/standing next to them in the flesh) and SHALL BE IN YOU… (future tense “In them”) 18. I will not leave you comfortless: I WILL COME TO YOU (future tense “In them”) Jesus himself here makes the point that the same person who was the HOLY SPIRIT that would come was standing next to them but lets them know “I will come to you again to be Inside of you”
-The whole point to Gal 3:20.a mediator is NOT A MEDIATOR OF ONE, (HEIS) but GOD IS ONE. (HEIS) again, point blank, identifies the number of persons of God! The “but” points out the contrast between multiple persons in a mediation party v the “one” of God. God is not like a mediation party with multiple different persons. …..”the express image of his person” ( the person of God; singular not plural) Any attempt to lay claim otherwise is willful ignorance and delusional nonsense
-Like a thief in your house caught stealing your things insisting he was not there stealing “I CONFESS I am NOT stealing”. You just do not “properly understand” what he is doing/saying. Further, since you never had a “proper understanding” of what he is doing/saying you have no business accusing him since you do not even know what you are talking about in the first place. It is with and in your own ignorance that you base your “false accusations” & “ad homonym attacks” against him…… Ridiculous of course it is ……2Thess 2:11; Titus 1:16; 2Tim 3:5; TRINITARIANS CONFESS JESUS /THEY ARE NOT POLYTHEIST BUT ARE MONOTHEIST LIKE A LIAR & THIEF WHO “CONFESS” THEY DO NOT LIE OR STEAL The simple fact is that just because you confess or deny that you are in an adulterous relationship and denounce all forms of adultery has nothing to do with whether or not it is in fact adulterous! .. …A rose by any other name is still just a rose AND calling it a water lily does not change the definition of what a water Lilly or a rose is either!…
-This should have given you a hint, harking back to Satan in The garden…God said you will die…Satan comes along and states no you will be more WISE……Today .God said He is one; but Satan’s children come along and say no three is more WISE and humble in the face of God’s grandeur only “a mystery” that can be understood “in faith”. God uses head and right arm to explain the distinctions between father and son.. However, the Trinitarian heretics say to the effect: “NO, that is just a figure of speech, or that is not what God really means. What God is really saying is that God is three different persons”. Fools, hypocrites and blind guides, God said he was One and by your traditions have taken the words of God and made them of no effect, refashioning God into the image of your vain imaginations!
You can download the complete FREE book from
https://www.scribd.com/doc/305367608/The-Trinity-Heresy
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https://www.academia.edu/23463667/THE_TRINITY_HERESY
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http://www.globethics.net/gtl/10920799
#2 “ANOTHER GOSPEL”:
-If you ask most people what the Good news or Gospel is they will probably tell you about the virgin birth or Christ death burial and resurrection. This would be rather humorous if it was not so sad considering that for the three and half years of Christ ministry he does not mention hardly ever. However, Christ does spend a lot of time preaching out of the OT scriptures. Now imagine given a report or manual to read and understand, that makes reference to and even quotes other source material and then ignoring that source material when it comes to defining the context and meanings of words in the report or manual you are trying to make sense of. If that seems dysfunctional that is because it is. This is, however, what most people are doing when it comes to understanding sound NT doctrine and or even what the Gospel message of Jesus was. The mystery of the gospel was not the death, burial and resurrection although it is part of it. In fact, death, burial and resurrection was the sign, the only sign, that Jesus gave to validate that the gospel message he was preaching all that time was true……and yet most deny it!?!?!
-The “2nd coming”… “I come quickly” so “Hold fast till i come”… NOT …“in another 2000 years I might be coming soon any time now, so hold fast”!?! …those that deny the second coming of Christ in the war of AD70 (in their lifetime) are practicing a damnable heresy in denying the Lord that bought them ( 2Peter 2:1-2 ;2Tim 4:8/ you cant love an appearing you deny& the context is the 2nd coming not the first)… Mat 7:23..”I NEVER KNEW YOU” …..Mat 10:33. But whosoever shall deny me before men……..sound familiar?…. If I said I am coming to your house in this generation when these things happen but no one knows the day or hour what fool would think I might be coming in 2000 years latter!?!? ..2 Tim 4: 4. And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be TURNED UNTO FABLES. The “idea”/ doctrine that Jesus has not yet returned but “soon any day now soon” does not just make God out a liar; it is not just ridiculous but makes Christianity a mockery, A pathetic “ship of fools”!?!
-The following example excerpt from Bertrand Russell: sometimes quoted by atheist et al and from his published work “Why I Am Not A Christian”
Defects in Christ’s Teaching
Having granted the excellence of these maxims, I come to certain points in which I do not believe that one can grant either the superlative wisdom or the superlative goodness of Christ as depicted in the Gospels; …. I am concerned with Christ as He appears in the Gospels, taking the Gospel narrative as it stands, and there one does find some things that do not seem to be very wise. For one thing, he certainly thought that His second coming would occur in clouds of glory before the death of all the people who were living at that time. There are a great many texts that prove that. He says, for instance, “Ye shall not have gone over the cities of Israel till the Son of Man be come.” Then he says, “There are some standing here which shall not taste death till the Son of Man comes into His kingdom”; and there are a lot of places where it is quite clear that He believed that His second coming would happen during the lifetime of many then living. That was the belief of His earlier followers, and it was the basis of a good deal of His moral teaching. When He said, “Take no thought for the morrow,” and things of that sort, it was very largely because He thought that the second coming was going to be very soon, and that all ordinary mundane affairs did not count. I have, as a matter of fact, known some Christians who did believe that the second coming was imminent. I knew a parson who frightened his congregation terribly by telling them that the second coming was very imminent indeed, but they were much consoled when they found that he was planting trees in his garden. The early Christians did really believe it, and they did abstain from such things as planting trees in their gardens, because they did accept from Christ the belief that the second coming was imminent. In that respect, clearly He was not so wise as some other people have been, and He was certainly not superlatively wise.
https://www.scribd.com/doc/305366745/Revelation-the-First-Gospel-of-the-Kingdom
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http://www.globethics.net/gtl/5455069
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https://www.academia.edu/23464127/REVELATION_THE_FIRST_GOSPEL_OF_THE_KINGDOM
Amazon/Barns & Nobel et al
978-1-4907-0590-3 (SC ISBN)
#3 GOD LOVES EVERYONE; Jesus Died for “you”…… Just “come as you are”
Does God love you?….”Probably” NOT!….and NO Jesus did not die for everyone!?!……There is a sharp contrast between THREE groups : A. The predestined damned B. the “many” called C. The “Few” Chosen
Predestination….its true.. its all true… God does NOT love everyone:
Prov 8: 17. I LOVE THEM THAT LOVE ME …………
1John 5:3. For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments:
(1) “PREDESTINED DAMNED” who were NEVER written in the book of life ………..Rev 17: 8 WHOSE NAMES WERE NOT WRITTEN IN THE BOOK OF LIFE FROM THE FOUNDATION OF THE WORLD, …as contrasted …EPH 1: 4. According as he hath CHOSEN US in him BEFORE THE FOUNDATION OF THE WORLD
(2) “MANY CALLED”= ONLY and ALL SAINTS (those who come to Christ) are written in the book of life … Philippians 4:3… ……Rev 21:27; (Only saints are Called and elect; Rom 1:6-7 et al) This is THE CHRUCH and ONLY these can have their names blotted out of the book of life ….….Heb 12:23 to the general assembly and CHURCH of the firstborn … WHICH ………are WRITTEN in heaven,
(3) THE FEW CHOSEN: Those saints who were alive in group #2 who are now physically dead. They died “faithful” these are the FEW that were chosen faithful…….Rev 3:5. ……; and I
will not BLOT OUT HIS NAME OUT OF THE BOOK OF LIFE, (Ps 69:28) …. These are the FEW that are CHOSEN and now that they have died and are saved then “once saved THEY CAN NEVER BE LOST”
PS: “The world” that God so loved was not the Roman world nor the world of the Maya nor the world you imagined in your head that God specifically told them NOT TO LOVE!?!
https://www.scribd.com/doc/306868420/Most-True-Christians-Go-to-Hell
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http://www.globethics.net/gtl/10920800
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https://www.academia.edu/25217564/Most_True_Christains_Go_to_Hell
THE THIEF-BAPTISM-GRACE& THE NAME-LORD & LT
“whosoever shall call on THE NAME OF THE LORD shall be saved”
………So WHAT “NAME” did you “CALL UPON”?……
Rev 19:13. .. and HIS NAME IS called THE WORD OF GOD
Ps 138:2. praise THY NAME … for thou hast magnified THY WORD ABOVE ALL THY NAME -
NOTE: God placed His “THE WORD” ABOVE all of God’s various NAMEs – and Jesus NAME IS called “THE WORD” no other name saves. The MOST important name we should KNOW and CALL UPON is “THE WORD”; Not letters that spell “word” but the sayings/ doctrine/commands. It does NOT say “thy word is given a name above other names because here THY WORD is identified as the name that is placed above all other names.
Isaiah 52:1. . 6. Therefore MY PEOPLE SHALL KNOW MY NAME: ..What NAME do you “KNOW”.?
1Jn 2:3. And HEREBY WE DO KNOW that we KNOW HIM, if we KEEP HIS COMMANDMENTS./ Titus 1: 16. They profess that THEY KNOW God; but IN WORKS THEY DENY him…
“AT the name OF JESUS”…..Jesus has a name that belongs to Jesus…just like the name OF GOD means a name that belongs to GOD but it is ridiculous to suggest that the letters G-O-D is that name…likewise the name OF JESUS is NOT the letters J-E-S-U-S. Why would anyone think that you could pronounce THE HIGHEST NAME OF GOD letter by letter…. (ie Judges 13:18; 2Cor 12:4 but God’s name is not as great and or “unspeakable )
Rev 3:8 kept MY WORD, and hast not DENIED MY NAME; …
.Jn 17:6. I have MANIFESTED THY NAME And they have KEPT THY WORD.;
THE WORD is THE NAME above every name that saves us 1Pt 3:21 The ONE baptism(Eph 4:5) is into THE WORD ( which is also baptism in the Holy spirit Jn 6:63the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit ) ..ALL the sayings doctrines and commands….what did THE WORD that became flesh command? (Mat 28:19)…..what did THE WORD exemplify? (Mat 3:15/ Jn 4:1)………among other things…..YES .water baptism is just as essential and necessary for much a part of salvation (1Pt 3:21) as is keeping one self away from works of the flesh (Gal 5:21)….In fact obedience to the command of water baptism is specifically identified as the act of calling on the name of the Lord (Col 2:12 “……though the operation[work] of God” CAN ANY MAN BE SAVED WITHOUT GOD WORKING ON HIM?) …..THE WORD OF GOD is the name of God that men call upon OR…OR ..they DENY with their disobedience
The scriptures tell us almost nothing about the thief’s life. However, the scriptures tell us a great deal about Christ life……Jesus had been around for 3.5 years before the cross and was Baptizing (Jn 4:1-2 in fact He instructed his disciples to do so and did many more then John the Baptist ever did) …..Those who try to appeal to the thief on the cross assume the thief had never heard of Jesus preaching and had never ever been baptized….The burden of Proof is on those who say baptism is not essential! ………..You can’t claim a logically valid “non-essentiality” doctrinal argument on ANYTHING based on what the scriptures do not say and in spite of the things it clearly does state to the opposite effect!…That is like looking at the constitutional law and then basing a argument against a constitutional principle in law based on the fact that history did not record for us what some unknown cattle thief did or did not do a 150 years ago?!?! What??..Who cares?? We know what the constitution did say 150 years ago. I don’t know of any Law school that bases its teaching on constitutional law based on what history does not tell us about unknown cattle thieves!?! ..Jesus command, preached & practiced Baptism so did the apostles ….To build one’s theology on the fact that the scriptures do not tell us ANY detail(s) of the thief’s life before the cross (we know almost absolutely nothing about the thief!!) it is quite foolish and willfully ignorant of what the scriptures do say about baptism…….so those who try to use the thief are in effect building their house on the sand of what scriptures do not say about a thief in spite of what the scriptures do specifically tell us about baptism!?!… “Their damnation is just” comes to mind…
https://www.scribd.com/document/326686356/Thief-Cross-3D OR https://www.academia.edu/23846490/Thief_and_Cross_3D
The rapure events are decribed in the ble, the word raptureis rapido in the greek
Where, in the Bible, do i find this Greek word “rapido”?
I’m guessing it’s imaginary just like the rapture is a figment of your fevered mind.
But i could be wrong so here’s your chance to score a point.
in 1 Thess 4:17, english bibles normally translate the word as “caught up”….the greek N.T. word is harpadzo…it means “caught up”….the latin vulgate used the word “rapiemur”….it means “snatched away”…the word Rapture is not used in the English bible translations…this was just a chapter heading type word to summarize the idea when people started teaching this truth after the counter reformation…
Oh no it doesn’t mean “caught up”, jknbt,…
http://biblehub.com/greek/726.htm
… unless i’m reading the concordance wrong and who cares what word Jerome used in the Vulgate?
To claim to know the truth of this matter places upon you the onus of producing unequivocal evidence, which you cannot do, supporting the doctrine of a pre-trib rapture. No reading between the lines, no squinting and making certain to hold the bible up the right way.
http://www.patheos.com/blogs/formerlyfundie/rapture/
you are reading the concordance wrong…look at the page you cite, and you will see that everybody but Strong’s has “catch up” or “caught up” as an option…the KJV uses “caught up”….this sort of hair splitting is not good bible interpretation…
no, I don’t claim infallibility, but a fair look at the evidence tells me i’m correct about the pretrib rapture, see comment below, repeated here:
the comments reveal incredible IGNORANCE about the Rapture & what the bible says…nope, don’t have time to cast my pearls here, busy on something else…if you want to learn about the Pre-trib Rapture, here are a couple of good places to learn (assuming you still have a teachable spirit)….see
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http://christinprophecy.org/articles/the-origin-of-the-concept-of-a-pre-tribulation-rapture/ (good refutation about the lies about Margaret McDonald and John Darby)
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http://christinprophecy.org/articles/ (go to the tab marked RAPTURE for 11 well written layman’s articles on the subject)
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http://www.pre-trib.org/ (scholarly website of the Pre-Trib Research Center)
You never have time to answer my questions, jake-n-bait, and i care about as much for the English translation as i do the Latin.
Tell it to the Greek
Another long-hair rapture baloney. Prove it in the Bible that says there is a rapture?? The word is not even in there. Made up crap. Don’t you morons EVER get it??
NO RELIGION IS REQUIRED! THERE IS NO HELL OR SATAN! 80% OF THE BIBLE IS FALSE! THERE IS NO JUDGEMENT! EVERYBODY GOES TO HEAVEN TO BE WITH GOD! EVEN LUCIFER IS IN HEAVEN! THERE WILL BE NO RAPTURE! TIBERIUS JULIUS ABDES PANTERA WAS THE FATHER OF THE BASTARD JESUS BY RAPING AN UNDERAGE MARY! IF WE END ALL LIFE ON EARTH, GOD OR JESUS WILL NOT STOP IT! WE TAKE WHAT WE CREATE!
To accept Pantera, a common enough roman soldiers name, as the father of the Messiah requires overlooking 3 major assumptions which in turn rely on reading things into the historical account that aren’t expressly seen.
http://www.jasoncolavito.com/blog/was-pantera-really-the-father-of-jesus
Not to mention taking the word of a pagan philosopher (Celsus), alongside the word of the very “Jews” (Talmudic) who chose Barabbas, over the word of an early church elder (Origen) which only goes to show you really want this to be true even though it’s probably not.
The Pre-Trib Rapture is false
Why are end time “christians” so vain to think they are more special to be saved from persecution by the so-called rapture than all the christians throughout history, and even today, who have been persecuted and killed.
The rapture is the false deception created by Satan. Those who receive the “Mark of the Beast” won’t think it’s the Mark of the Beast because they believe that they will be raptured before the coming of the Mark of the Beast. Denominational christians, counterfeit christians, weak christians will receive the Mark of the Beast, unknowingly. True christians are to endure until the last day, the day of Jesus’ return.
Let’s reason this out. If the rapture is to escape the tribulation, like how most christians believe, why would the dead in Christ rise? If they are dead they shouldn’t be hurt by the persecution of christians during the tribulation. Christians who are living will need to endure unto the end and follow the “christian” underground railroad. Again, why are end time “christians” so vain to think they are more special to be saved from being harmed than all the christians throughout history, and even today, who have been persecuted and killed.
There are, of course, two resurrections: the first at the soon to return of Jesus where the dead in Christ shall rise first and the living shall be caught up with the dead and the second at the end of the thousand year reign of Christ where all the other dead from all of history shall rise and be judged from the Book of Life according to their works – some to everlasting life, some to everlasting death. Blessed are the ones who rise in the first resurrection. (Revelation 20)
Put on your armour of God and prepare for what Satan has plans for the world today. There are many warnings to christians about backsliding. There will be a great falling away from the faith and one must have faith to begin with in order to fall away from it, eh? There are two reasons to fall away: one, fear and, two, the ways of the world.
Excellent comment.
“Christianity” is from Rome and Constantine, a repackage of The Mystery Religion of Babylon, sunworship for the new sun day Sabbath, to the lie of His birthday, the rebirth of the sun, to Ishtar sun instead of Passover, YAHUWshua to Iesus h christos and is definitely NOT “The Way”.
This whole Horus. ..I mean Jesus thing is really getting boring.
And you think christians cherry pick their information…
https://strangenotions.com/horus-manure/
… ba ha ha ha ha!
such nonsense spoken by fools since the beginning of time–pretending to be light when it is nothing but gloom and darkness–god would not touch it with a 5000 ft pole–the bible is the book of wrath and judgement–god has zero wrath and no judgement–satan’s little helpers wrote the bible–the word of men-not god–salvation is given to all–just like jesus said–the bible thumpers of his day did not like him saying that for it took away their power($) so they killed him–the bible thumpers of today would do the same being the hateful judgemental jackasses they are–god does not read the bible–never has–never will–the bible was written by insane homeless fools in a cave inspired by satan–satan’s best work,the bible–remember fools,god loves all his stupid idiotic children,even evil hateful bible thumpers,the worst of the worst,and god would do nothing to hurt his foolish children–only dumbass humans would do that,led by satan,bible in one hand and a death sword in the other,giving judgement,hate to all who disagree…
plsnogod
The rapture doctrine was cooked up in the middle 1800′s The basic teaching is that Jesus will come in the clouds and resurrect the dead in Christ and a split second later, the living in Christ, and that everyone else is left behind on Earth for seven years. Its is a dispensation doctrine and has been taught by many for the past 30- to 40 years as soon to happen. However the 99% who teach this doctrine of a pre tribulation rapture have no Earthly ideal whom phyical Israel is and where they are located in the Earth today? Thus by not know whom Gods people is the teachers of the rapture doctrines, have become universalist, much like the Roman Catholic Church. Remember the protestant churches in America all have their mother, from the 16th century, the RCC, the apostate woman of the new testament. They teach many things the alike as does the RCC.
However, True Israel, Gods people have never changed or become Apostate, that is why the Apostal Paul can say, in Rom 11:1 I say then, Hath God cast away his people? God forbid. For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin. Paul knew who he was and he knew whom Israel was after God had enlighten him to the salvation of Israel, in Jesus Christ. He goes on to say, in Rom 11:26 “And so all Israel shall be saved. ” No pre trib rapture here in Pauls understanding of the scripture!!!
Paul then tells us, in Rom 11:25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in. What is the “”"fulness of the Gentiles”"” fulness of the NATIONS”" is what Paul said, … It was the 16th century KJV that put the word gentiles, which is not self understanding of who Israel is. The fact is the word GENTILES tricks one into believing that all other people other than the jews are Gentiles. Totally incorrect doctrine, being that the 10 Northern tribes of Israel was punished of God in the years 726-722 BC and they became the NATIONS, or the Gentiles that Paul is speaking of in Romans 11:25. The false doctrine that Israel went back to the home land in 1948 is also another doctrine that sets the false rapture spinning in the minds of the apostate believers. What when to the old land of ancient Israel in 1948 were jews. The same relgious jews that Jesus fought with in His ministry. The same jews that killed him and rejected a Israelite Messiah The same jews that now control the minds of about 75 percent of the Earth’s population and almost 100 percent of American population through false doctrines and the MSM and out US Government. Every main stream pastor in America have tied their gospel to the jews, and not Israel, the people of God.
99% of these so called preachers and teachers can NOT tell their listeners, when Israel was taken captive or when God released them from captivity. All they know is 1948. I will not tell you in this short article when God released them. for the sake that you will just argue your false doctrines and disagree with both the scriptures and Israelite history..
The rapture doctrine was cooked up in the middle 1800′s The basic teaching is that Jesus will come in the clouds and resurrect the dead in Christ and a split second later, the living in Christ, and that everyone else is left behind on Earth for seven years. Its is a dispensation doctrine and has been taught by many for the past 30- to 40 years as soon to happen. However the 99% who teach this doctrine of a pre tribulation rapture have no Earthly ideal whom phyical Israel is and where they are located in the Earth today? Thus by not know whom Gods people is the teachers of the rapture doctrines, have become universalist, much like the Roman Catholic Church. Remember the protestant churches in America all have their mother, from the 16th century, the RCC, the apostate woman of the new testament. They teach many things the alike as does the RCC.
However, True Israel, Gods people have never changed or become Apostate, that is why the Apostal Paul can say, in Rom 11:1 I say then, Hath God cast away his people? God forbid. For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin. Paul knew who he was and he knew whom Israel was after God had enlighten him to the salvation of Israel, in Jesus Christ. He goes on to say, in Rom 11:26 “And so all Israel shall be saved. ” No pre trib rapture here in Pauls understanding of the scripture!!!
Paul then tells us, in Rom 11:25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in. What is the “”"fulness of the Gentiles”"” fulness of the NATIONS”" is what Paul said, … It was the 16th century KJV that put the word gentiles, which is not self understanding of who Israel is. The fact is the word GENTILES tricks one into believing that all other people other than the jews are Gentiles. Totally incorrect doctrine, being that the 10 Northern tribes of Israel was punished of God in the years 726-722 BC and they became the NATIONS, or the Gentiles that Paul is speaking of in Romans 11:25. The false doctrine that Israel went back to the home land in 1948 is also another doctrine that sets the false rapture spinning in the minds of the apostate believers. What went to the old land of ancient Israel in 1948 were jews. The same religious jews that Jesus fought with in His ministry. The same jews that killed him and rejected a Israelite Messiah The same jews that now control the minds of about 75 percent of the Earth’s population and almost 100 percent of American population through false doctrines and the MSM and out US Government. Every main stream pastor in America have tied their gospel to the jews, and not Israel, the people of God.
99% of these so called preachers and teachers can NOT tell their listeners, when Israel was taken captive or when God released them from captivity. All they know is 1948. I will not tell you in this short article when God released them. for the sake that you will just argue your false doctrines and disagree with both the scriptures and Israelite history..
Jeffy
“”Jesus Speaks on What Is to Come After the Rapture,”" —- jeffy this ain’t Jesus Christ, this is just another demon speaking lies to the deceived. Rapture? LOL
Well, maybe jesus is the demon… lol With so many wars in his name, he must be in hell now.
To get the right answers, Lexus, you must first ask the right questions.
Which wars did Jesus give His Name to?
More one pathetic idiot worshipping this faggot (jesus)… go to hell with him.
Well, you know, jesus is in the hell as the slave of the devil… he and his 12 idiots. Join them…
So that’ll be a no then? Jesus gave His name to no wars. Thanks for clearing that up, Lexus.
I appreciate your opinions, and all, but you’re going to need to back yourself around here if you don’t want to be flayed in public.
Go to hell with your jesus… marry with him there, ok? You deserve as much as him… go kiss his mouth…
You cannot reach me with that sort of talk, Lexus, only sense, reason and logic get through to me.
I’ll let you know when you’re worth responding to
Oh, I can see… you want jesus body so bad, it is not? You want to be his special bitch for he fuck you… well, this will happen in hell, of course… jesus is a loser who became the devil’s slave… he and his 12 retards…
Never mind that, omniscient one, what are next weeks lotto numbers
You are just more one moron who secrectly wants to be fucked by jesus… haha
John 15:18
If I am not worthy responding, so why you responded? lol… jesus fucked you mind too? It seems so… you have pics of jesus in sensual clothes, don’t have?
You are so obsessed with this shit (jesus) that you came here defend him… you want him as your personal faggot, I can see it… lol
Good lucky with your romance with this retard (jesus).
John… lol… Do you know how many times jesus and jonh fucked one another? Maybe this numbers are the numbers who say it…
15 times john fucked jesus and 18 times jesus fucked john? hahaha
Tell me: you want eternity to fuck jesus and let him fuck you? haha
Proverbs 29:27
I don’t have a bible, you idiot… this means nothing to me. Are you trying to surpass jesus in retardness? It seems so…
Idiot…
You come here just for defend the Master Loser (jezus)… you are obsessed with this shit (jesus)… he is not worthy your time, you loser.
You could download one for free…
https://www.bible.com/versions
… but i’m the idiot
I will not download this idiot book who serves to enslave people and made them obsessed with a faggot (jesus).
You are not just idiot because you didn’t understand it… you are as stupid as your maximum idiot idol: jesus…
Jesus is no one, you bitch… he is just a name for keep us in low vibration. And you fall in that as a retard…
Oh, my bad, it’s just i thought when you said…
“I don’t have a bible, you idiot”
… the only thing holding you back was grasping how the internets work
There is nothing holding me back… I say what I want.
I must explain to you, genius, that I don’t want a bible… now you understood? I don’t need this book.
Get your jesus and fuck him.
Then why didn’t you just say so, Lexus, instead of making excuses?
Sure you can say what you like, no one has to care what it is, but saying one thing while meaning something else isn’t getting your message across.
It is enough… I insulted jesus and enough by a day.
Take care… go fuck jesus and be happy with it… or not.
Yes but insults do not an argument make – Socrates
Yeah… ok.
I am tired now… like I said, it is enough.
No need to beg, Lexus, come and go as you please
haha, ok.
Mayhem, I became curious about one thing… Send me a e-mail, ok? Can I give you my address?
mayhemtheproselyte@gmail.com
Most of you would probably nail Jesus up on a board as fast as look at him if he allowed it. Demon this Demon that. You do remember all the innocent women killed in the witch burnings don’t you? And even in this day and age maniacs burn people for being witches etc. Madness. There is a Christ Consciousness aka Nirvana aka The Force and you will meet that side of yourself when you croak and pass from this realm into the next. I have seen 2 luminous beings of light leave my home and fly into the heavens. They flew thru my roof and into the heavens. I saw them with my own eyes. They obviously have a supervisor. And for those that come here and attack Christians. The thing propelling you is your own fear of your own deaths. You will be ejected into said quantum realms upon your croaking and we are all on the same team. All luminous beings of light on the same team! So all this racism and religion bashing I see is stupid. We’re all on the same team! Any who do not expect some long drawn out discourse with me. I am a busy raven flying on the heels of coyote. Merry Freaking Christmas! Word out to my Norse Yuletide folk as well! This is a transmission from space.
You crazy idiot…
You’d have a point, Jeffery, if the Bible condoned the Salem murders and before you go all Exodus 22:18 on me understand that they are from vastly different time periods. The Witch burnings came after Jesus had said “He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her.”
John 8:7, Matthew 7:1, Romans 2:1
Oh, now you show more obsession with jesus… you are a fool, like jesus was.
You believe in this nonsense… it is sad. jesus fucked you mind, man.
Jesus only serves to made persons blind and stupid… he fucks people minds.
jesus… my god… stop with that… jesus is just a bitch, a faggot, a retard… how persons can believe in a person like him? jesus deserve to die again, that’s it.
hellfire is waiting for you, a special place in hell reserved for blasphemers like you…
Hell doesn’t exist.
And yeah, in my opinion jesus is a idiot, a faggot… I am tired of persons worshipping this idiot.
And I say more to you: I will never respect this shit that you call of jesus… damn him… this pathetic stupid idiot only made things worse… how many wars because of this faggot? Oh, I cannot even count… this retard came here and made things worse.
It’s time that you are a YUGE Snickers. Sweet Baby Jebus.
“ate”, lol.
Weak, jknbt, that is exactly what the adversary wants you to be…
… distracted.
Wow, the bitch (jesus) told you this? haha
Painful to read your words Lexus.
Are they your words? Do you know?
Yeah, it is my words… like I said to the other one, I am very very tired of persons worshipping a idiot.
ha ha Chet from Weird Science ha ha nice
Well “Yank my doodle it’s a Dandy” I am Chet from Weird Science.
Your words are more acceptable than those of Lexus.
P.S.
You hit the Stronglifts.com yet Jeffery?
Good to see you, Brother Chet. It’s been awhile. I haven’t stopped by the site in a bit but I’m enjoying watching The MayHammer wipe the floor with this “Lexus” clown.
I agree, it is painful to read his words. Such spite and ignorance can only come from a very small mind, and kudos to Mayhem from attempting to educate him, even if it falls on deaf ears.
Lexus did send and email, Cluckenbruder, and after a brief exchange i invited him to call me out for debate any old time he likes.
I hope he does, that is, if the voices in his head allow
Sophia’s sophistry currently has his ear
Well then, I anxiously await any nuggets of wisdom he wishes to bestow upon us
I wonder if they let Red Mann out of his cage. Either that or they’ve decided to do away with the language filter.
Yeah, nah, the Angry Injun at least put a bit of thought into his obnoxious trolling.
the comments reveal incredible IGNORANCE about the Rapture & what the bible says…nope, don’t have time to cast my pearls here, busy on something else…if you want to learn about the Pre-trib Rapture, here are a couple of good places to learn (assuming you still have a teachable spirit)….see
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http://christinprophecy.org/articles/the-origin-of-the-concept-of-a-pre-tribulation-rapture/ (good refutation about the lies about Margaret McDonald and John Darby)
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http://christinprophecy.org/articles/ (go to the tab marked RAPTURE for 11 well written layman’s articles on the subject)
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http://www.pre-trib.org/ (scholarly website of the Pre-Trib Research Center)
I can’t help but notice your list of sources doesn’t include the Bible, jknbt, which suggests we must take someone’s word that God meant to write about a pre-trib rapture but forgot.
get real…all these sources use is the bible…what do you use, the first book of baloney? or the apocryphal book of Mayhem Pseudo-Wisdom? you don’t have a teachable spirit like Mr TruthAvoider who fouls this blog with his closed minded rant every day…get teachable, you might learn something…
listen and believe
oh my giddy aunt, priceless
jknbt
the problem JKNBT, — your pearls are made of paste, they are fake thus they have no value.
Why would I or any one want to read what some women wrote, were any of the books of God’s Word written by a women?? Are any Apostles women?
“scholarly”, the only scholar was Paul all the rest were just men, most scholars are liberals and Jesus Christ is at the opposite end of that mental disease.
“”get real…all these sources use is the bible”" is that why there are 40,000 kinds of churches all supposedly christian?
If the Word was written to be understood by the minds of carnal men — there would only BE THE ONE TRUE. CHURCH.
I wish this website would let you put up pictures and sounds….(pls turn on your imagination)
since you can’ eat pearls, I reply with:
“Enormous greasy fart sound”
in yo’ face!
jknbt
I guess if one can not counter with facts and logic the only option is to insult the party bringing the facts and logic..
Lets keep this simple jknbt which of the 40,000 flavors is the true church or are all 40,000 God’s Church ?
If you say all — then doctrine can not matter — one can just pick the flavor they like the best.
Actually that is exactly what most do unless they were born into a flavor and raise from a child in that flavor.
One of my wife’s girl friend did that — she just loves the singing and the nice folks, who cares about what is taught as long as they keep xmas and easter and have a pot luck after church on Sunday.
go bite a pearl as hard as a diamond…maybe the pain from your broken tooth will give you pause to reconsider and recant your errors
jknbt
If you can not determine which if any of the 40,000 flavors is the True Church then just say so — no need to continue to add further silly insults which bother me not at all.
Love how “deputy dog turd” ridicules the “rapture” believers only to ramble on about some other fanatical religious bullshit they made up and sold him…that’s religion for ya. Breeds idiots and hypocrites who know nothing but go around telling everyone how wrong they are. Youre in for a big surprise. Should have taken 15 mins of ur life to look up just where dumbass names and words like yahweh and jehovah and Jesus and yahuah and amen, etc originate from. Joke is on you know it all. Faith is bullshit and so is the bible like all religions and their books
Jesus is Lord. And you will cast your crown of follied wisdom at his feet. You will confess this with your own tongue on your knees before him. Thats who Jesus is.
johann needles
I also believe the doctrine of a rapture was invented by Satan to deceive the majority of those calling them selves Christians.
Satan does not want you to endure until the end.
Rev 20 states there is the first resurrection and after the 1000 year reign of Jesus Christ as King of kings there is a 2nd resurrection of all those that never were given their one opportunity for eternal life.
The pagans, the children that died and the deceived 40,000 flavors of so called Christianity are in the 2nd resurrection.
35 Women received their dead raised to life again: and others were tortured, not accepting deliverance; that they might obtain — a better resurrection:
johann the first resurrection “the better resurrection” it is to eternal life, the 2nd is back to physical life and being judged over a life time just as were those in the first.
the 3rd resurrection is to condemnation i.e. they are burn to ashes in the Lake of Fire.
Three is the number of completion.
1-Resurrection to eternal life
2-Resurrection to judgment
3-Resurrection to damnation
But I know you still want to escape off of this earth — sorry that never happened and never will.
When the 3rd world war beginning you will know the truth of the satanic rapture.