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Whistler Blowers, Insiders
Before addressing a few of your points, let me express my surprise at your admission of advanced age yesterday. I had mistaken you for a man in his late twenties or early thirties. I’m usually not very far off of the mark in similar assessments of other commenters and cyber-personalities. Something of a youthful exuberance and vigor carries through many of your postings, which led me into my fatuous presumption. In retrospect, I now admit that the substance and character of several of my exchanges with you may have been a bit inappropriate. I think I took you for a whippersnapper when apparently you are a salty greybeard. And may have taken certain liberties because of my miscalculation, but intend to calibrate accordingly for future reference.
There isn’t anything for me to dispute in this posting of yours. We have here in the above a well-worded and concise advocacy for the prevailing ‘Instruction’ of the Most High. That is the word, by the way, ‘Instruction.’ I think that if we began, as a matter of routine, to refer to the Torah of YHWH by that word, rather than by ‘Law’, it might benefit the spreading of this message. When believers hear it spoken of that the Torah yet abides, even for Christians, there is standard sort of default repulsion which might be short-circuited if we employed another word. ‘Instruction’ sounds Fatherly – whereas ‘Law’ calls to mind images of tyranny, rightly or wrongly. The idea of submission to authority is simply repugnant to most of us. And the idea that there is an ABSOLUTE and PERFECT and RIGHTEOUS Authority to which we all aught to submit, is a difficult sentiment to convey.
Once again, not disputing anything you wrote, I wondered if you might elaborate on this thought. Something you wrote which I am unsure of:
“The sacrificial law was added because of sin and is not a part of the covenant.”
This may be true, but can you point to evidence beyond the timing of the institution of blood sacrifice? Adam sinned, and there needed shedding of blood. But what of the sins you entered into evidence above which occurred before the time of Adam? What if ours is not the first physical world? What if there were others? Other ages even? Surely then, there would have been present a need for the blood of atonement from animal (?) sacrifice. What say you?
Then you addressed this passage:
Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah…
This is a most important passage, and it calls for much attention. Here is a verse which causes our brothers and sisters a good deal of confusion because it is widely believed that this promise has already been completely fulfilled. I agree with your presentation on this point – that while the process of making this New Covenant may well have begun, it has most certainly not been concluded.
Because you wrote:
“God the Father through His Holy Spirit is BEGINNING (emphasis added) to convert us over to His perfect sinless Holy Divine Nature.”
And again you wrote:
“…salvation is a life long process…”
I regularly echo this same sentiment all across the BIN boards and elsewhere in the cyber-ether. “This is a process of BECOMING” – is usually how I phrase the thought. And the idea is usually received with guffaws or with shrugs. Sometimes it even evokes a violent rejection. It seems so elementary to me that I struggle to comprehend why so many deny the legitimacy this concept.
So an effective synopsis you have crafted here, and excellent supporting evidence has been submitted from the Scriptures. I’ll have my eye on that counter at the top of the page. I would be surprised if the comment section becomes as active as you imagined it would. Rather than vitriol and poisoned darts being hurled in your general direction, I kind of expect the crickets to keep right on chirping and whirring. The topic you have chosen almost guarantees it.
“Man naturally hates God’s Law.”
Nothing but true.
Most men can’t even be bothered to read about it. They might learn something they erroneously think they don’t want to learn.
A valiant effort, in any event. And certainly not wasted. They’re always paying attention up there, even if no one is down here.
Beef,
Thank you for taking the time to comment in such depth, it shows you read it slowly and you understood it. It also shows you have been given the mind to understand “strong meat.”
It would appear we are closer then first thought. I welcome that.
Since we are close in mind I will give you some of the thought behind this piece. I do not believe I or anyone else can bring a person to God. If God Does not Call you and as I previously told you religion was actually look on by me as a sickness for very weak folks,
no matter what is said or written you ain’t coming to Christ. This was not written to bring folks to salvation. I used Law not only because Christ did but to advertise it.
As you are aware there are a few on BIN that are positive the Law is all gone. That it is evil and I guess was dumped on man to cause him problems. You have seen some of my discussions with 2 or 3 of these fellows, I determined to write a short proof using logic that would be very difficult to gainsay. So far you are the only one to comment. By the way the logic exercise proving the Law must be eternal, did you like that?
As to the sacrificial law, I could not make this any longer then it already was, no one would bother for sure. But a quick short answer is found in Galatians 3:19, as you know Paul’s writing is sometimes very difficult to make conform to the others. I think God allowed this, He has to open your mind or you will not get it. I’ll put together something and get it to you, once you understand the difference between the commandments, Judgments, Precepts, Statutes and then the sacrificial law it is pure logic and make perfect sense. But it is confusion to the mind of man.
To give you a little more insight, I worship the Father the same as Jesus and disciples. Doing so also makes their words more understandable. I rest on the Sabbath and keep all of God’s Holy Days. no easter, xmas etc.
I did hope many would read and at least give them some doubt about what they have always been taught. It is too deep for most sundaygotomeeting types.
One of the reasons I write articles and comment on others is because I have found it is a great way to study and to come to deeper understanding. Trying to explain something and make it plain to others is, I have found, very difficult.
Thanks again
Beef,
I just set down to work on the sacrifices, and a thought came, you have lots of study under your belt do you know what the 7 High Holy Day Feast of God represent?
These days are another big key which 99% ignore as Jewish.
Let me know please.
According to my understanding, the feasts are representative of the “Restoration of All Things” from the over-flight of the Angel of Death and the Sacrifice of Messiah through the manifestation of the LOGOS in the temple of a human man and the coming of YHWH of Hosts to ‘tabernacle’ amongst His people at the end of the age.
The feasts are a blueprint of the Work of Salvation.
Also — you can always email me at jeremiad01@gmail.com
I love your definition of meekness!!
) you cover yourself well.
Meekness is a complete surrender of your will to the Will of God the Father.
It’s beautiful. It’s personal.
You’ve almost said it all. I would only add 2 words, IN everything,
but you implied it, so i didn’t.
Your will is who you are, where the gettin gets good.
The will is as personal as IT gets, IT’S in everything we do.
God seeks your will (the intention of the heart) so does the enemy.
Christ humbled himself all the way, giving his will, all of who he was.
Surrendering is Simple and not easy.
Christ without a sin nature sweated blood before his Father over the cup.
I recently reached the exact same definition as you, my study & word was humbleness
meekness the same together. Highly recommend studying the Power of humbleness.
Enjoyed reading yours, I like the way you present your insight. In all the ones I’ve read,
you’ve handled describing some strong information simply. That’s not easy.
You’ve laid it out & put it together solid.
In learning about complete surrender for me was the circumcision of heart
where Father was removing everything that was between Him & me,,, aka me!
Layer by layer quite the process. Not a lotta fun, glad the knife was sharp & edged.
Thanks for sharing.
Nasal,
Meekness
“A complete surrender of your will to God’s Will ”
Romans 12: 1, 2
1 “I beseech (implore, beg) you therefore brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, Holy, acceptable unto God. Which is your reasonable service.”
Paul is imploring you to sacrifice your will, mind and being, to do only those things acceptable to God, i.e. His Will.
Surrendering your will is a very reasonable service compared to the Gift God has promised – Eternal Life.
2 “ And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good and acceptable and perfect will of God.”
Eschewing worldliness, receiving the Very Mind of God the Father through conversion, enables you to be able to prove and to understand what is The Perfect Will of God.
Paul is explaining: you must first prove what God’s Will IS before you can surrender to it.
Amen, I couldn’t agree with you more, Paul couldn’t be more true.
I love your definition of meekness!!
Thanks again!
Last year I began listening to 2 house teachings. Started reading a couple books about it,
put them down unfinished. Your study’s here & the way you write have connected dots for me that no other has. I’ve sent the links of your studys to freinds & family.
I’ve got a ? or 2 i’ll bring you a little later.
God Bless You!
Stay Strong!
Meekness is POWER under control, not mealy mouthed limp-wristed liberal weakness.
We surrender our wills at baptism – period. If you haven’t done so at that stage then you nave not taken your baptism seriously and need a complete re-think of what you think following The Way is.
Truthseeker – I’m sorry, but unless you are a Jew you are missing the point completely. Paul made it very clear about who he was talking to – THE JEWS, THE GENTILES AND THE CHURCH, the are separate and until you understand this you will never make sense of things. Jesus fulfilled the LAW. Yes, we are bound by his commandments but not all of them BECAUSE we are not jewish. (have the doctrine telling you this but can’t recall offhand BUT would look into it again if you are truly interested in studying all sides), Paul was a Jew and reproached them for their ways and he specifically separated Jew from Gentile. To pretend or walk in the way of a culture you are not is not what Jesus asked of you. He preached to you AS A GENTILE, not a jew. You are WAY off base in your thoughts regarding this because if you try to live by the TORAH you are in deep doo doo, he tells you this but you are not hearing. The Church has the holy spirit, the jews didn’t, you have to understand this. I refuted your Rapture theory, on which you have yet to reply. Word to the wise, only because I have done it myself, is your PRIDE stopping you from actually taking on board anything anyone say’s to you, because you seem more interested in proving someone wrong than loving your Creator
Below is the Thayer dictionary definition for the Greek word “fulfil” used in Matthew 5:17.
G4137 “Pleroo” Thayer definition:
1) to make full, to fill up, i.e. to fill to the full.
2) to render full, i.e. to complete.
2a) to fill to the top: so that nothing shall be wanting to full measure, fill to the brim.
2b) to consummate: a number.
2b1) to make complete in every particular, to render perfect.
2b2) to carry through to the end, to accomplish, carry out, (some undertaking).
2c) to carry into effect, bring to realisation, realise.
2c1) of matters of duty: to perform, execute.
2c2) of sayings, promises, prophecies, to bring to pass, ratify, accomplish.
2c3) to fulfil, i.e. to cause God’s will (as made known in the law) to be obeyed as it should be, and God’s promises (given through the prophets) to receive fulfilment.
A Related Word by Thayer’s/Strong’s Number: from G4134
Part “2C3” of the Thayer definition is a relevant part for the word “fulfil” in Matthew 5:17. Jesus certainly did not come to destroy the law; He obeyed and carried out the law to the full and magnified it! Jesus does not contradict Himself.
@ LiesSeeker
You said:
“Here is the statement showing why the new contract is better. The Bible states in many scriptures that only God is sinless. John tells us that sin is the transgression of the Law. The Law in the first Covenant was the 10 Commandments.”
This statement is a bare faced lie and a satanic perversion of The Truth. The LAW was only SUMMARISED in The Ten Commandments. The LAW is ALL the ordinances and ALL the precepts laid down by Moses in The Torah – circumcision – animal sacrifices – no wearing of mixed cloths and the dietary laws – AND SOME – ALL OF IT!!!!!!!
Or are you going to come out with that usual Judaisers BS satanic wheeze that only the Ceremonial Law was nailed to the cross? If so, I will need Scripture and Verse that says that.
Mat 22:35-40 Then one of them, which was a lawyer (A forerunner in the likeness of LiesSeeker), asked him a question, tempting him, and saying, 36 Master, which is the great commandment in The Law? 37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. 38 This is the first and great commandment. 39 And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. 40 On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets. (brackets mine)
And again:
John 13:34 A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another.
A NEW COMMANDMENT I GIVE UNTO YOU. Based purely on love not obedience to The Law.
John 13:35 By this shall all men know that ye are my disciples, if ye have love one to another.
By this men shall know that you are my disciples through love toward each other, NOT by obedience to The Law. The Pharisees were known by these ‘attributes’.
John 15:12 This is my commandment, That ye love one another, as I have loved you.
The new commandments that we love God and our brothers as Yashua Anointed has loved us.
And yet again:
John 15:17 These things I command you, that ye love one another.
Gal 5:22-23 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, 23 Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.
Against such THERE IS NO LAW.
How many more times must I correct your evil Judaisers behaviour?
Gal 5:22-23 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, 23 Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.
Against such THERE IS NO LAW.
TruthSEEKER must start seeking The Truth instead of stubbornly persisting in being a purveyor of Judaising blasphemies – a stiff necked rebellious man.
Posted twice because Google Chrome was messing me about i.e. comments no showing.
You quoted:
“13 “Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: FEAR GOD and keep His
Commandments; for this is the whole duty of man.”
Old Covenant and no longer applicable to Born Again sons of God with The Law written on their hearts.
The Law was NOT written on Solomon’s heart.