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THE BIRTHRIGHT -  PART 1

Starting with Abraham, the Hebrew people were given a God ordained birthright title.  From Abraham to Isaac, to Jacob, and then to Joseph.  It was supposed to go to the oldest son but it rarely did.  Joseph had two sons named Ephraim and Manasseh by an Egyptian wife.  Jacob adopted the two sons of Joseph and split the birthright title between his own son, Judah, and Ephraim, the son of Joseph.  The Messianic kingship line referred to as the scepter, went to Judah and the birthright title went to Joseph and then to Ephraim and secondarily Manasseh.

1 Chronicles 5:2 KJV For Judah prevailed above his brethren, and of him came the chief ruler; but the birthright was Joseph’s.

After the death of Solomon, his successor, Rohoboam, errantly decided to increase the tax rate even more than that of Solomon, who was taxing to build the temple.  Many of his northern subjects, under the leadership of the Ephraimite, Jeroboam, decided to rebel, which they did, and founded a separate kingdom in the north called Israel in c. 930 BC (historical documents vary on this date).  The tribes of Ephraim and Manasseh were the birthright holders and were entitled to employ the name, Israel.  Jacob was given the name of Israel by God after his repentance and acceptance of God as Lord. Therefore, the name of Israel, along with the birthright title was inherited by Joseph and then by Ephraim.

The split of the Davidic nation of Israel placed 10 tribes into the northern kingdom entitled Israel leaving Judah, Benjamin, and the majority of the Levites into the southern kingdom entitled Judah.  It must be understood that a few scattered individuals of the various tribes may have been in the opposing kingdom mostly due to the significance of the temple in the south, however the birthright title follows the leaders of the tribes not individual members.  This placed the linage of the kingship or scepter, ultimately Jesus, in the southern kingdom and the birthright inheritance tribes, in the north.

Around 126 BC the Hasmonean dynasty under the leadership of Hyrcanus of the Maccabees conquered the Edomites (descendants of Esau).  The Edomites were given the option to remain in Judea only if they agreed to be circumcised and follow the laws of the Jews which they accepted and thus became Jews.

Josephus: Antiquities of the Jews, XIII, ix, 1     Hyrcanus also took Dora, and Marissa, cities of Idumea, and subdued ALL the Idumeans, and permitted them to stay in that country if they would adopt the rite of circumcision, and make use of the laws of the Jews. And they were so desirous of living in the country of their forefathers, that they submitted. At which time therefore this befell them, that they were hereafter no other than Jews.

Malachi 1:1-4 KJV  The burden of the word of the LORD to Israel by Malachi.  (2)  I have loved you, saith the LORD. Yet ye say, Wherein hast thou loved us? Was not Esau Jacob’s brother? saith the LORD: yet I loved Jacob,  (3)  And I hated Esau, and laid his mountains and his heritage waste for the dragons of the wilderness.  (4)  Whereas Edom saith, We are impoverished, but we will return and build the desolate places; thus saith the LORD of hosts, They shall build, but I will throw down; and they shall call them, The border of wickedness, and, The people against whom the LORD hath indignation for ever.

Regardless of the verbiage of the Jews and various internet self-styled exegetes and preachers, there are few if any true blood Edomites today and the Palestinians are not Edomites either.  They were conquered and grafted into the Judahites and Benjamites of the Babylonian returnees.  Today’s exegetes unwilling to discard the prophecies concerning Edom, will employ another near East group as the Edomites but they are all in modern Israel as Jews.  The prophecies concerning Edom must still be fulfilled but by necessity they must be fulfilled concerning modern Israel which may shed new light on the Zionist movement as written by Malachi 1:4, “but we will return and build the desolate places”.  It could be that modern Israel is fulfilling two different sets of prophecies 1) pertaining to the remnant of Judah and 2) the descendants of Esau.

Some may be silently arguing:  He’s got it all wrong.  The Jews are Khazars.  I considered that argument as a fact for many years and there may be some truth in it, but let’s look at some of the evidence.  The main premise for this theory was made popular by Arthur Koestler in his book, The Thirteenth Tribe, and he is oddly, Jewish.  The Edomite conversion is also discussed in 1st Maccabbees which was once in the KJV but was taken out.  Very few people read Josephus and usually only to search for a reference.  The Edomite conversion is historically documented and the Khazarian Jewish migration to Europe as Jews is not historically documented to my knowledge.  If it is please let me know.  The modern Jews are fully aware of their ancestry and the Old Testament prophecies associated with them.  I have recently read that some Jewish scientists claim their DNA ancestry is linked to the Khazars.  They would surely want the world, especially USA Christians, to think they may be related to Khazars than to Esau and the Edomites.

A quote from the Chuck Smith Commentary, “The Edomites of course have since passed off of the scene. The last Edomite that we know is Herod, king Herod of Idumaea and his family. And there ended the Edomite race. But of course, God has preserved Israel to the present time.”  I included this quote as evidence that most past and present commentators and expositors have a totally faulty view of the Edomites during the times of Jesus.  He claims that Herod was the last Edomite and when he and his family died it marked the end of the Edomites.  Mr. Smith is merely a convenient source but he is not the only commentator and expositor with this mistaken and faulty viewpoint.

The Fig Tree     The Judeans of Jesus’ day and the Jews of modern day represent the fig tree without fruit.  The leaders and the majority of the population were not fruit bearing trees at that time and they are not fruit bearing trees now and they never will be during this age.  To be precise, the twelve tribes of Hebrews (called Israelites) were not fruit bearing trees from the moment they entered the land of Canaan.

Matthew 21:19 KJV  And when he saw a fig tree in the way, he came to it, and found nothing thereon, but leaves only, and said unto it, Let no fruit grow on thee henceforward for ever. And presently the fig tree withered away.

When the cursed fig tree is seen again and bears many leaves but no fruit then you will know the end is near.

Matthew 21:43-44 KJV  Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.  (44)  And whosoever shall fall on this stone shall be broken: but on whomsoever it shall fall, it will grind him to powder.

Will the present nation of Israel bring forth the fruits of the Kingdom of God?  Regardless of the mindset of deluded Bible teachers of today, this will never occur and it contradicts scripture, particularly Matthew 21- many leaves but no fruit.  What should be done to a tree that bears no fruit?  Cut it down and throw it in the fire.

Matthew 7:19 KJV  Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.

Luke 3:8-9 KJV  Bring forth therefore fruits worthy of repentance, and begin not to say within yourselves, We have Abraham to our father: for I say unto you, That God is able of these stones to raise up children unto Abraham.  (9)  And now also the axe is laid unto the root of the trees: every tree therefore which bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.

In Matthew 7:19 and Luke 3:9 above, “every tree” not bearing (good) fruit does not allow for exceptions.  They will be cast into the fire.  The nature of the fire is another subject.  Some say it is a refining fire that flows from the throne of God.

Esau     The story of Esau trading his birthright to Jacob for a bowl of stew is well known and won’t be repeated.  Esau was upset that he had been tricked of his birthright although it wasn’t to be given to him regardless, he cried for his loss of property and pleaded with Isaac to give him a blessing as well.

Genesis 27:39-40 KJV  And Isaac his father answered and said unto him, Behold, thy dwelling shall be the fatness of the earth, and of the dew of heaven from above;  (40)  And by thy sword shalt thou live, and shalt serve thy brother; and it shall come to pass when thou shalt have the dominion, that thou shalt break his yoke from off thy neck.

Isaac’s blessing to Esau is given in Genesis 27:39-40.  There is a big difference in translation of verse 39 in several versions.  The KJV, LXX, (and others) state that Esau will live in a productive area and the NET, NIV, and a few others translate it as an area away from productivity and rainfall.  Regardless, verse 40b is the important issue which claims that he (his people) will eventually have dominion i.e. be in control similar to the Jews (Edomites) as the bankers, money makers, media owners, movie studio owners, recording studio owners, government appointees, pornography producers, drug lords, and many other elite posts around the world.  It is my opinion the world is closely approaching the last days and this particular prophecy is being fulfilled.  Remember that Jacob gave the birthright blessing to Joseph and then to Ephraim.  Judah does not have the birthright and Esau certainly does not.  These birthright tribes (the so-called 10 lost tribes) represent Jacob (Caucasian:  England, USA, Canada, Australia, Europe, Russia, and South Africa) and the Jew/Edomite descendants are gaining more dominion each day mostly through their puppet USA government.  The role Russia and Europe plays in this scenario is unknown.  Notice in Malachi 1:4 the Lord says, “They shall build, but I will throw down”.

Is the current nation of Israel actually a movement to restore Jacob (renamed Israel) to the Promised Land as many evangelical preachers and expositors claim?  Perhaps it is rather a fulfillment of the Malachi prophecy which says that Edom will, “return and build the desolate places”.  Modern Israel is not the birthright Jacob, Joseph, or Ephraim.

Pre-millennial rapture dispensationalists have boxed themselves into a corner with conclusions, delusions, assumptions, and faulty doctrines that they cannot or will not see the prophecies and scriptures for what they actually state and claim.  They must have read the scriptures and the prophecies but fail to apply them to the actual events of the time.  It is their opinion that the current nation of Israel is all 12 tribes, they are the “apple of God’s eye”, and through them and them only, the total plan of God will be realized.  This will never occur with the Judean/Idumeans of current Israel.  Do they not believe the words of Jesus or do they consider His words as irrelevant in our world of political correctness?

Another Fig Tree Parable     The earthly ministry of Jesus lasted around 3 ½ years (regardless of some opposing opinions).  The fig tree parable found in Luke 13:6-9 is quite prophetic of His ministry.

Luke 13:6-9 NET  Then Jesus told this parable: “A man had a fig tree planted in his vineyard, and he came looking for fruit on it and found none.  (7)  So he said to the worker who tended the vineyard, ‘For three years now, I have come looking for fruit on this fig tree, and each time I inspect it I find none. Cut it down! Why should it continue to deplete the soil?’  (8)  But the worker answered him, ‘Sir, leave it alone this year too, until I dig around it and put fertilizer on it.  (9)  Then if it bears fruit next year, very well, but if not, you can cut it down.’ “

A fig tree, symbolizing Judea/Idumea, did not produce fruit for three years.  The vineyard owner (Jesus) told the worker to cut down the worthless tree because it was depleting the soil. The worker implored the owner to leave it for one more year and he would tend it and fertilize it.  Then if it does not bear fruit it will be cut down.  Modern day Israel/Judea/Idumea was given one final opportunity to bear fruit, but it will never produce and it will be cut down and destroyed just as the Revelation states.

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    • Donovan

      ephraim writes;
      Regardless of the verbiage of the Jews and various internet self-styled exegetes and preachers, there are no Edomites today and the Palestinians are not Edomites either.
      Aren’t you doing the same thing and who the hell made you authority of who is and isn’t an edomite. You still do not get that the Israelites are Oriental type people and not Caucasian. Even referencing Arthur Koestler,(God rest his soul) you still don’t get it! Join the rest of the Disinfo agents here at BIN, after all you made it tabloid material. :smile: peace

      • CAPTAIN CHAOS!!

        Nice try Donovan, but Ephraim is a little above your pay grade.

    • CAPTAIN CHAOS!!

      “Regardless of the verbiage of the Jews and various internet self-styled exegetes and preachers, there are no Edomites today…”

      Oh?

      “…and the Palestinians are not Edomites either.”

      No. The Palestinians are not Edomites.

      “Some may be silently arguing: He’s got it all wrong. The Jews are Khazars.”

      Ephraim, the argument you are now making, and the argument that modern Jewry trace their lineage through the Khazarian Empire, are not mutually exclusive arguments.

      “…the Khazarian Jewish migration to Europe as Jews is not historically documented to my knowledge.”

      If it is documented, it would be considered classified information and withheld from us for obvious reasons. However, what is both documented and accessible are records of the spread of language. Khazarian bastardized Hebrew (Yiddish) is the language one needs to examine in this case. And the historical movements of this language can indeed be traced. The nature of this movement lends significant weight to the Khazarian/Jewish argument. [Side note – this same forensic examination tactic can be employed when investigating a migration of the Ancient Hebrew language and cultural artifacts after the time of the captivity and dispersion of the Northern Tribes. This tactic again yields evidence of considerable weight to the argument that Ancient Israelites became the European peoples you list at the end of your article.]

      “They would surely want the world, especially USA Christians, to think they may be related to Khazars than to Esau and the Edomites.”

      Of course they would, but only if there is sufficient plausible deniability built into the Kazarian connection. First they’re supposed to be legitimate Judeans. Failing that, they’ll be Khazars. There is subterfuge even in their enigmatic employment of the name Ashkenaz, which has no credible connection with them whatsoever. I have interrogated many Jews about this oddity in my time, and not one of them has answered the query to my satisfaction. The answer most often given is that Ashkenazi means ‘Germanic.’ Like hell it does.

      “The story of Esau trading his birthright to Jacob for a bowl of stew is well known and won’t be repeated.”

      Nonetheless, do take note the deception that was employed by Jacob and Rebecca in securing for Jacob the blessing from Isaac. The blessing belonged to Jacob by right since he obtained the birthright from Esau without guile. But right or wrong, Jacob trespassed when he resorted to trickery against his own father. That trespass, that trickery, that impersonation, has come home to roost in a very big way. Isaac was deceived then. But now, it is Jacob who is deceived. There is justice in that.

      “Is the current nation of Israel actually a movement to restore Jacob (renamed Israel) to the Promised Land as many evangelical preachers and expositors claim?”

      Perhaps it is this:

      Ezekiel 36:5

      Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD; Surely in the fire of my jealousy have I spoken against the residue of the heathen, and against all Idumea, which have appointed my land into their possession with the joy of all their heart, with despiteful minds, to cast it out for a prey.

      To cast it out for a prey.

      What would happen to Bible-believing Christianity if “Israel” got burned off the map by a few dozen megatons of nuclear ordinance? Guess the Bible could go from collecting dust on a shelf in the average Christian’s living room to collecting coffee grinds at the bottom of a garbage can. That’s what would happen. The people living in the land today know full well they have no right to the name Israel; whether they be genuine descendants of Judah (fat chance) or not.

      “It is their opinion that the current nation of Israel is all 12 tribes…”

      I have yet to encounter an argument to stoop quite as low.

      Whether or not all Edom converted to Judaism then, is more or less a moot point. They have all converted now. And whether they trace their lineage back to Judah proper, or only as far as the Khazarian Empire, is likewise unimportant. Who they ARE is important. And like you said…

      …the Bible tells us exactly who they are. Just as long as we know how to read.

      • Donovan

        I thought for a moment that you were for the truth, but I should have known that could never be what your about. Japheth speaks with forked tongue, but I know your trickery. Edomites are the mixed cannaanite that inhabit Jerusalem. Your beloved Jews are from the lineage of Togarmah and the smart ones with a brain are Ashkenazi Jews. If you could comprehend truth in your face without prejudice you would have a clue. White people are a branch Japheth, probably more likely Gomer(Germans) since they are the most populous white people around. Next would be Russian, Anglo Saxon, then Celtic…,etc. Doesn’t take a rocket scientist to figure that out. There is no evidence Biblically that white people became Israelites, if there is prove it from God’s Holy Word. if you can comprehend the TRUTH!

        • Donovan

          Sorry to burst your bubble, but their is nothing Biblically saying that 1948 is the year of the Jew, unless you own a schofield bible. The zionist added footnotes to deceive the population into believing white Jews were lineal Israelites, but nothing is further from the truth. White people can become sons of God, but you have to receive Salvation through Jesus Christ. Romans 11:17-19 And if some of the branches be broken off, and thou, being a wild olive tree, wert graffed in among them, and with them partakest of the root and fatness of the olive tree; 18Boast not against the branches. But if thou boast, thou bearest not the root, but the root thee. 19Thou wilt say then, The branches were broken off, that I might be graffed in. 20Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith.

          • CAPTAIN CHAOS!!

            “Sorry to burst your bubble, but their is nothing Biblically saying that 1948 is the year of the Jew, unless you own a schofield bible.”

            Are you having your own conversation, Donovan? I say this not to be overly-harsh with you, but if your grasp of what’s been written above, by anyone here, is as tenuous, that does not bode well for your grasp of more intractable subject matter, such as prophecy. No one is arguing what you think they’re arguing. You need to pay closer attention to the words as we actually write them.

            “White people can become sons of God, but you have to receive Salvation through Jesus Christ.”

            That is true of everyone who has ever walked, crawled, slithered or drawn breath in this world. It is true of all Adam-kind. Your bigotry is annoying, Donovan. I don’t care what color you are; you didn’t earn a connection with Messiah on account of your race. All of that aside, your detective skills are sorely lacking. If it were up to me I would leave race out of the equation entirely. But we can’t do that because Scripture doesn’t do it. There is a significant racial component to the Scriptural Narrative. And what you preach across these boards is most certainly NOT in accord with what the Word teaches. Check your math, brother.

            “Romans 11:17-19 And if some of the branches be broken off…”

            I know, I know… The Letter to the Romans. Written by Paul the Oriental.

            Sorry Donovan. We don’t even see eye to knee cap.

            • Donovan

              What are you yakking about? You never answered me. Where does it say in the Holy Bible that Japheth Anglos became the Israelites? You can’t, because their is nothing that even comes close to your claim of lineage. Your Japheth descendants were still uncultured during Biblical times. It has everything to do with race, that is why God separated the people and set their boundaries. Why are you so ignorant coming from a “learned” man? I will give you links that you probably will ignore, because you wanna be deceived or be the deceiver which goes along with your nature. Native Americans are the true Israelites attested by your Japheth pilgrim descendants. Many prominent men and women attested to the fact that the Native Americans are Israelites and wrote books that should have been in American History. But since the white man destroyed the Native
              American Hebrews he rewrote history and made the cultured Native Americans out to be savages. The real savage is the white man that destroyed the Hebrew Native Americans.
              At least you made one truthful statement!
              I know, I know… The Letter to the Romans. Written by Paul the Oriental. :smile: Peace
              http://eifiles.witnesstoday.org/oo-en.htm
              http://www.losttribes.info/
              https://books.google.com/books?id=df5SAAAAcAAJ&printsec=frontcover&dq=History+of+the+American+Indians+James+Adair&hl=en&sa=X&ei=6Tw9VfXoAobDggSQ7IGACA&ved=0CCkQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=History%20of%20the%20American%20Indians%20James%20Adair&f=false

            • CAPTAIN CHAOS!!

              I’ll play along, Donovan. Even if I’m disgusted by your attitude. Which I am.

              You wrote:

              “Where does it say in the Holy Bible that Japheth Anglos became the Israelites?”

              This is what I mean when I say you’re having a conversation all your own. You bring half-stacked luggage racks with you into all your communication with other believers. Baggage, Donovan. If you paid attention to what was actually being said, and not what your private understanding demands SHOULD have been said (when the two are seldom the same) then you might be able to see a little more clearly, not to mention make less of a nuisance of yourself to your counterparts in discussion.

              So pay attention when I tell you this:

              You never heard me say that Japheth is the patriarch of Caucasian people. Why, therefore, am I required to defend an understanding of the written Word that I neither advocate for nor believe? I owe nothing of the kind. Japheth is not the father of the Caucasian people. You only think he is because you’ve been duped by the non-Judean’s usage of the name ‘Ashkenaz.’ Ashkenazi Jews are neither Judean nor are they sons of Ashkenaz. What they are is liars and deceivers.

              “Your Japheth descendants were still uncultured during Biblical times.”

              And whatever you are, are you cultured now?

              “It has everything to do with race, that is why God separated the people and set their boundaries.”

              I said there is a racial component to the Scriptural Narrative. Shall I quote myself to you? or won’t you do me the courtesy of actually reading the words I write to you.

              “I will give you links that you probably will ignore…”

              Good guess, Donovan. I care nothing for your links. You can share verses of Scripture with me all day. I will read each of them and we can discuss the meaning of what is written. I have less than no interest in whichever maniacal off-scourings you harvested from the cyber ether to corroborate your distorted ideas about the Word. Do you have something to say about Scripture? Say it yourself.

              “Native Americans are the true Israelites attested by your Japheth pilgrim descendants.”

              You mean the Mormons? Or do you mean the hoax relics which some Mayflower riders allegedly ogled but did so only in folklore. You have some other ideas about what men say? You should read Scripture more often, Donovan. Scripture teaches us not to trust men. Any men.

              “Many prominent men and women attested to the fact that the Native Americans are Israelites…”

              That’s why you’re sunk into the mire. That’s how you’ve allowed yourself to have become so misled. You’re actually interested in who said what. Are men speaking about the Bible, or about things related to the Bible? Then men have a motive to lie. Among many other things that it is, the Bible is also motive to lie with a universal adapter. In fact, you would be hard pressed to find another topic, any other topic, which creates more incentive for people to concoct stories and to fabricate nonsense, than the Bible itself. People lie about Bible-related subject matter for a virtually endless list of reasons. So again… not interested. I’ll hear anything you have to say about Scripture because I’m talking to you. You and I can ask each other questions and we can analyze the answers. I’ll discuss Scripture with you any time. But I won’t waste a second worrying about any claims folks made in the past, or about anything, big or small, they might have said or might be saying now.

              “At least you made one truthful statement!”

              Don’t be obtuse, Donovan. I was mocking and you know it.

              Show us something from the Word which even comes close to supporting your ideas. Then, you will have done something worth talking about.

            • maxxy

              …Walter…I’ve been out of touch for an interstate change of address….ten days…..I did miss your salt….old dog. Bless you.

            • Donovan

              @Walter, I am not playing a game.
              Walter says: You never heard me say that Japheth is the patriarch of Caucasian people.
              Well that’s where your err, and you will never know anything about your lineage until you take the Holy Scripture literally. Japheth is the patriarch of the Gentiles according to the Holy Bible. If you don’t believe in the Holy Bible than your argument is moot! I have come to the conclusion that you don’t know shyte from shinola! However you wanna take my words I will not PLAY by your rules or any other Japhethite deceiver. You can’t even accept the links, so that tells me you are as prejudice as they come. Nothing changed with the elder brother Japheth in 500 years, still wanting to tread on the Hebrew Native Americans keeping them from knowing their heritage by propaganda garbage! I wholeheartedly believe that God in his Holy Word has let the whole world to know the nature of the white man. I will leave you with this truth and maybe you will learn something! Japheth: from the root word Pathah: allure (1), became…enticed (1), deceive (2), deceived (5), entice (9), enticed (1), entices (1), persuaded (1), prevailed (2), seduces (1), silly (1), simple (1).
              Now that fits Anglos to a tee. Don’t you think? :smile: Peace

            • CAPTAIN CHAOS!!

              “Japheth is the patriarch of the Gentiles according to the Holy Bible.”

              Donovan. Listen to me. We’ve all heard you say that. Many times. We know that’s what you believe. And we know that you THINK you find such things written in Scripture. So then? Show us. Chapter and verse, right here, right now. Would do nicely.

              “I have come to the conclusion that you don’t know shyte from shinola!”

              Good conclusion. I don’t know anything as I should. But I do know how to read. Make your case from the Book.

              “I will not PLAY by your rules…”

              Which rules are those? Asking you to support your lies by producing actual verses from Scripture? Of course you won’t play by those rules. You can’t.

              “You can’t even accept the links, so that tells me you are as prejudice as they come.”

              I am prejudiced. In the extreme. I hold the words and the work of men in the lowest esteem. Your links are worthless. The Word is worthy.

              “…tread on the Hebrew Native Americans keeping them from knowing their heritage by propaganda garbage!”

              One verse, Donovan. Put up one single verse of Scripture that agrees with your noise.

              “I wholeheartedly believe that God in his Holy Word has let the whole world to know the nature of the white man.”

              The white man is the most evil creature on the face of God’s Good Earth. That’s because he’s completely turned his back on his Creator. The white man loves lies more than most. But it’s an evil world – and don’t think I’m calling non-whites the good guys, because I’m not. Non-whites are reprobate barbarians. But the white man is concentrated evil. Unless and until he recognizes his King and he tries to follow the voice of his King. Then the white man can be king-like. So too can the barbarian.

              “I will leave you with this truth and maybe you will learn something! Japheth…”

              Too bad there’s not a point to your accusation.

              “Now that fits Anglos to a tee. Don’t you think?”

              No, Donovan. I think you’re a bigot. That’s what I think. I don’t care what made you who you are. And I don’t care what color you are. You are the seed of Abraham ONLY if you are a follower of and a believer in the Messiah – and that means you do the things He commanded you to do. I’m not impressed with your ability to comprehend the Words He has spoken, or your capacity to do as He commanded.

              Your fruit would be rotten, if you had any fruit. Lose the bile. Follow the Word.

              (P.S. And any time you feel like putting up a verse to make your case, you just go right ahead. You know where I’ll be.)

            • Donovan

              Walter,
              You are a diversion, disinfo agent and paid troll all wrapped up in one. Walter the King of the trolls. I give you Scripture and still you divert. Here is Scripture once again for the King of the trolls.
              Genesis 10 table of Nations: 2The sons of Japheth(Greeks, Aryan); Gomer(Germany), and Magog(Georgia, Scythians), and Madai(Medes), and Javan(Greek), and Tubal(Russian), and Meshech(Russian), and Tiras(Thrace). 3And the sons of Gomer; ASHKENAZ(GERMANY), and Riphath(generally Europe), and TOGARMAH(TURKS). 4And the sons of Javan; Elishah(Greeks), and Tarshish(Spain), Kittim(Greeks), and Dodanim(Greeks). 5By these were the ISLES of the GENTILES divided in their lands; every one after his tongue, after their families, in their nations. (Caps emphasis mine).
              Calling me a bigot means nothing to me. You are extremely prejudice so why am I wasting my time with you? You are an evil man, so why don’t you take your own advice and lose the bile. I did get one thing out of this exchange: Jesus is all that matters to any race, tribe or nationality and anyone can have Salvation by believing in Him. :smile: peace

            • Mayhem

              @Donovan who disingenuously said…

              “Here is Scripture once again for the King of the trolls”

              … which clearly bemoans imaginary repetition. Do you get that, Donovan? You make it sound like you’re repeating yourself, to idiots, when you hadn’t yet gotten around to referencing Genesis 10:2-5 let alone “again”.

              I’m sure WALTER will attend his business and, in case you hadn’t noticed, he’s already hinted at where he’ll likely go with this when he said…

              “Ashkenazi Jews are neither Judean nor are they sons of Ashkenaz”

              … and i, for one, am looking forward to the reply. While we’re waiting it would be best, Donovan, if you could come up with either a Bible passage that answers the question more directly or at least a second witness for your very tenuous position.

            • CAPTAIN CHAOS!!

              “I give you Scripture and still you divert.”

              Let’s just see about that.

              You wrote:

              “Here is Scripture once again for the King of the trolls. Genesis 10 table of Nations: 2The sons of Japheth (Greeks, Aryan); Gomer (Germany), and Magog (Georgia, Scythians), and Madai (Medes), and Javan(Greek)… …(Caps emphasis mine).”

              That is very interesting, Donovan. I see you’ve even taken the time to ADD your interpretation to the Word. Isn’t it interesting also that you’ve done all the work for us, so we no longer have to wonder about who is who in this passage. Now then:

              Japheth = Greeks? Prove it.

              Gomer = Germany? Prove it.

              Magog = Georgia? Prove it.

              Madai = Medes?…

              …I think you get the idea.

              “Calling me a bigot means nothing to me.”

              Good. How about this? Nothing you have to say means anything. Do you get that? Your opinion is not something worth hearing. No one should care, and I certainly do not, about what you THINK Scripture means. You can make little lists about which names mean which peoples all day long, and you have come no closer to making your case than you were at the beginning of this conversation. I’m not surprised you need to hear any of this, Donovan. I know how one becomes as entangled in silliness as you are – you do so by revering the opinions of other men; not to mention holding your own opinion in the highest of esteem. But opinions are worthless. You still have shown nothing from Scripture to back even a small portion of your claim.

              “You are extremely prejudice so why am I wasting my time with you?”

              I don’t recall initiating this conversation with you, Donovan. You initiated it. And now you find yourself having a bit of trouble defending your position, so you’re thinking about quitting. Perhaps you’ve quit already.

              “You are an evil man, so why don’t you take your own advice and lose the bile.”

              I’m actually being rather courteous with you.

              “I did get one thing out of this exchange: Jesus is all that matters to any race, tribe or nationality and anyone can have Salvation by believing in Him.”

              Well, that is certainly a start. Anyone who is drawn to the Son by the Father does well to respond accordingly to He who beckons.

              Try proving your model to yourself, Donovan. Do it by the Book. Do it without opinion. If you can’t find backing in Scripture for your opinion, then you should throw out that opinion faster than you latched onto it in the first place. It is either written, or it is not. What we think makes no difference at all and changes nothing at all. 66 Books. And we are told repeatedly to change none of it. If we add our own opinions to what is written, then we have added to the Word. There is a major penalty associated with exactly that misdeed.

            • Donovan

              walter, mayhem,
              Obviously I hit a nerve with you clown trolls of Before It’s News. Repetition is all I get from you yakking nincompoops! You can’t even handle the truth because you are loser trolls. What do you know about Scripture? All you do is twist the truth to your itching ears. Don’t waste time with your rhetoric with me walter the paid troll! I had enough of your diversion, get a life. You are just like your avatar, just a caricature. Breaking down my comment is a clear sign of a troll or lying loser, take your pick. I am not a bigot like you prejudice to extreme. You are sorry example of your lineage, because you put Japheth to shame without any consciousness.

            • Donovan

              Genesis 10:1–2 reads:
              ‘Now these are the generations of the sons of Noah, Shem, Ham, and Japheth: and unto them were sons born after the flood. The sons of Japheth; Gomer, and Magog, and Madai, and Javan, and Tubal, and Meshech, and Tiras.’
              The first of Noah’s grandsons mentioned is Gomer. EZEKIEL locates the early descendants of Gomer, along with TOGARMAH (a son of Gomer), in the north quarters (EZEKIEL38:6). In modern TURKEY is an area which in New Testament times was called Galatia. The Jewish historian FLAVIUS JOSEPHUS records that the people who were called Galatians or Gauls in his day (c. AD 93) were previously called GOMERITES.1
              They migrated westward to what are now called France and Spain. For many centuries France was called Gaul, after the descendants of GOMER. North-west Spain is called Galicia to this day.
              Some of the Gomerites migrated further to what is now called Wales. The Welsh historian, DAVIS, records a TRADITIONAL WELSH belief that the descendants of GOMER ‘landed on the Isle of Britain from France, about three hundred years after the flood’.2 He also records that the Welsh language is called GOMERAEG (after their ancestor GOMER).
              Other members of their clan settled along the way, including in Armenia. The sons of GOMER were ‘ASHKENAZ, and RIPHATH, and TOGARMAH’ (Genesis 10:3). ENCYCLOPAEDIA BRITANNICA says that the Armenians traditionally claim to be descended from TOGARMAH and ASHKENAZ. KILLED TWO BIRDS WITH ONE STONE. 3 Ancient Armenia reached into Turkey. The name Turkey probably comes from TOGARMAH. Others of them migrated to Germany. ASHKENAZ is the Hebrew word for Germany.
              The next grandson mentioned is MAGOG. According to EZEKIEL, Magog lived in the north parts (EZEKIEL 38:15, 39:2). Josephus records that those whom he called MAGOGITES, the Greeks called SCYTHIANS.1 According to ENCYCLOPAEDIA, the ancient name for the region which now includes part of Romania and the Ukraine was SCYTHIA.4
              The next grandson is MADAI. Along with Shem’s son Elam, MADAI is the ancestor of our modern-day Iranians. Josephus says that the descendants of MADAI were called MEDES by the Greeks.1 Every time the MEDES are mentioned in the Old Testament, the word used is the Hebrew word MADAI (maday). After the time of Cyrus, the MEDES are always (with one exception) mentioned along with the Persians. They became one kingdom with one law—‘the law of the MEDES and Persians’ (Daniel 6:8, 12, 15). Later they were simply called Persians. Since 1935 they have called their country Iran. The MEDES also ‘settled India’.5
              The name of the next grandson, JAVAN, is the Hebrew word for Greece. Greece, Grecia, or Grecians appears five times in the OLD TESTAMENT, and is always the Hebrew word JAVAN. DANIEL refers to ‘the king of Grecia’ (DANIEL 8:21), literally ‘the king of JAVAN’. JAVAN’S sons were ELISHAH, TARSHISH, KITTIM, and DODANIM (Genesis 10:4), all of whom have connections with the Greek people. The ELYSIANS (an ancient Greek people) obviously received their name from ELISHAH. TARSHISH or TARSUS was located in the region of Cilicia (modern Turkey).
              ENCYCLOPAEDIA BRITANNICA says that KITTIM is the biblical name for CYPRUS.6 The people who initially settled around the area of Troy worshipped Jupiter under the name of Jupiter Dodonaeus, possibly a reference to the fourth son of JAVAN, with JUPITER a derivative of [JAPHETH]. His oracle was at Dodena. The Greeks worshipped this god but called him Zeus.
              Next is TUBAL. EZEKIEL mentions him along with GOG and MESHECH (EZEKIEL 39:1). Tiglath-pileser I, king of Assyria in about 1100 BC, refers to the descendants of Tubal as the Tabali. Josephus recorded their name as the Thobelites, who were later known as IBERES.1
              ‘Their land, in Josephus’ day, was called by the Romans IBERIA, and covered what is now (the former Soviet State of) GEORGIA whose capital to this day bears the name TUBALas TBILISI. From here, having crossed the Caucasus mountains, this people migrated due north-east, giving their tribal name to the river TOBOL, and hence to the famous city of TOBOLSK.’7
              MESHECH, the name of the next grandson, is the ancient name for MOSCOW. MOSCOW is both the capital of Russia, and the region that surrounds the city. To this day, one section, the MESHCHERA Lowland, still carries the name of MESHECH, virtually unchanged by the ages.
              According to JOSEPHUS, the descendants of grandson TIRAS were called THIRASIANS. The Greeks changed their name to THRACIANS.1 THRACE reached from Macedonia on the south to the Danube River on the north to the Black Sea on the east. It took in much of what became Yugoslavia. WORLD BOOK ENCYCLOPAEDIA says: ‘The people of THRACE were savage INDO-EUROPEANS, who liked warfare and looting.’8 TIRAS was worshipped by his descendants as Thuras, or THOR, THE GOD OF THUNDER.
              LOOKS LIKE JOSEPHUS, ENCYCLOPAEDIAS, PROPHET EZEKIAL, WELSH HISTORIAN DAVIS, BIBLE SCHOLARS ALL IDENTIFY jAPHETH AS WHITE CAUCASIAN DESCENDANTS AND NOT ISRAELITE DESCENDANTS.
              CAPS EMPHASIS MINE.

            • CAPTAIN CHAOS!!

              “…JOSEPHUS records that the people who were called Galatians or Gauls in his day (c. AD 93) were previously called GOMERITES.”

              First we have the question of whether Josephus made the connection you claim he did:

              A Wikipedia article on ‘Galatia’, subheading ‘Roman Galatia’ [Main article: Galatia (Roman province)] confirms that he did. But the article goes on to explain that there were other theories at variance with Josephus’ theory. For example: “Others have related Gomer to Cimmerians.” But of course some say the Cimmerians were Gomerites. Here’s part of the problem, and it looks like this:

              “Irish Genealogy traces itself to Ibath, son of Gomer (thought to be a form of Riphath).”

              https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gomer

              But appended to the quote: “[citation needed]”

              Then we have the issue of a second witness. I have looked for, and have not been able to find, any kind of confirming witness for Josephus’ claim. And since this isn’t my argument, but yours, then you can continue the search. That’s a single witness without confirmation. And this is a topic about which men have a multitude of reasons to distort and to lie.

              “The first of Noah’s grandsons mentioned is Gomer. EZEKIEL locates the early descendants of Gomer, along with TOGARMAH (a son of Gomer), in the north quarters (EZEKIEL38:6).”

              Your connection between Gaul and Gomer has not been established, and will certainly not be taken for granted for the purposes of this conversation.

              “…that the Welsh language is called GOMERAEG (after their ancestor GOMER).”

              The Welsh language is called Cymraeg, or Gymraeg. The language is known in English as ‘Cambrian’ or ‘Cambric’ or ‘Cymric.’

              “Other members of their clan settled along the way, including in Armenia.”

              You mean Armenia the land of Caucasian people? Plenty of blond hair and blue eyes in Armenia. Is that right?

              “The name Turkey probably comes from TOGARMAH.”

              Bald-faced speculation, Donovan. You’ll need sources and more than one. The word ‘probably’ shouldn’t even make it onto the screen in this conversation.

              “ASHKENAZ is the Hebrew word for Germany.”

              NO, Donovan. Ashkenaz is NOT the Hebrew word for Germany. That is the lie told by ‘Jews’ whenever questioned about their enigmatic use of the name ‘Ashkenaz.’ There is nothing to support that claim. What there is are sources like this:

              Ashkenaz = “a man as sprinkled: fire as scattered”
              1) a descendant of Japheth
              2) a northern people, perhaps of Bithynia

              [Brown-Driver-Briggs (Old Testament Hebrew-English Lexicon)]

              …and this:

              Ashkenaz; of UNCERTAIN DERIVATION. der.; a son of Gomer, also his descendants and their land…

              [NAS Exhaustive Concordance of the Bible with Hebrew-Aramaic and Greek Dictionaries]

              …and this:

              אַשְׁכֲּנַז ‘Ashk@naz {ash-ken-az’} of FOREIGN ORIGIN…

              [Hebrew Word Study (Transliteration-Pronunciation Etymology & Grammar)]

              Not one single legitimate source identifies the name Ashkenaz as having ANY connection whatsoever with Germany. The connection is a false one, propagated by the lying rabbis about their own history and their own lineage. No one, in the history of man, has had more reason to LIE about ANYTHING than modern fake Judea. Anything they say about their past should be ejected as worthless. And they are the ones who connect Ashkenaz with Germany.

              “According to ENCYCLOPAEDIA, the ancient name for the region which now includes part of Romania and the Ukraine was SCYTHIA.4”

              According to ‘ENCYCLOPEDIA’?? Is that your source, Donovan? You even included a foot note indicator – but no foot note. In case I was unclear about it earlier, I don’t have any interest in your opinion or your claims. Come back with a proper submission – something more specific than ‘encyclopedia’ please. And do remember to provide specific heading information, or even direct links, so that anyone who wants to can easily check your sources.

              “The next grandson is MADAI. Along with Shem’s son Elam, MADAI is the ancestor of our modern-day Iranians. Josephus says that the descendants of MADAI were called MEDES by the Greeks.1”

              There’s that useless foot-note indicator again. I’m not going looking for more of your material, Donovan. I’m not going to put together your case for you. You find the material. You find a confirming witness. And you bring it here.

              “Every time the MEDES are mentioned in the Old Testament, the word used is the Hebrew word MADAI (maday).”

              That’s a claim, Donovan. Make the claim, then provide the evidence. It looks like this:

              MEDES = H4074 מדי mâday Of foreign derivation; Madai, a country of central Asia: – Madai, Medes, Media.

              “After the time of Cyrus, the MEDES are always (with one exception) mentioned along with the Persians.”

              I have no reason to dispute that statement.

              “Since 1935 they have called their country Iran. The MEDES also ‘settled India’.”

              Am I missing something here? Are these people meant to be Caucasian sons of Japheth? I thought that was your argument. Are Iranians Caucasian? Are Indians?

              “The name of the next grandson, JAVAN, is the Hebrew word for Greece.”

              There is indeed ample evidence to support that claim.

              “Josephus recorded their name as the Thobelites, who were later known as IBERES.”

              That makes perfect sense. [Not really.]

              And I think we get the idea. More or less, you’ve put together some semi-valid sounding connections which may or may not be supportive of your argument.

              “LOOKS LIKE JOSEPHUS, ENCYCLOPAEDIAS, PROPHET EZEKIAL, WELSH HISTORIAN DAVIS, BIBLE SCHOLARS ALL IDENTIFY jAPHETH AS WHITE CAUCASIAN DESCENDANTS AND NOT ISRAELITE DESCENDANTS.”

              And you’ve been exposed to evidence which tells another story. You’ve read the letter of the Spartans in 1 Maccabees 12? You’ve checked the identification made in Homer’s work described in the above article and explored the connections? Have you even pondered the verses of Scripture outlined above? Verses which very clearly identify those living in the land during these times?

              Here’s another obstacle you’ve not even addressed: Modern Jewry. Who is it, according to you, that the ‘Jews’ look to in actual fact as the progenitor of their ‘race’? Is it Judah? But the Jews are Caucasian. Is it Ashkenaz? Then the Jews are lying about being Jews, so why then would you reject one portion of their story in favor of another? Liars lie, Donovan. And ALL of their testimony must be rejected – not only the portions of it which upset your theories. And what if the Scriptures are accurate, and have rightly identified for us the name and the nature of the Jews? What if the Jews are Edom? Then you have a rough time explaining how a brown-skinned Oriental issued forth from the same womb, having the same father, as a white-skinned Caucasian.

              And that’s to say nothing at all of artwork and cultural artifacts found, from the time of Messiah, which bear the images of famous and infamous personages from New Testament Scripture. That certainly poses a significant problem for your theory. You might look into it.

              Your connection with Greece is a portion of your argument which seems creditable. I will have to explore that further when I get the chance. But I would add that the Spartans were wholly unique in their association with Greece, having their own constitution and very distinct military culture.

            • Mayhem

              But of course Donovan never wrote that treatise on the scattering, WALTER, all he did was add some ALL-CAPS for emphasis.

              http://creation.com/the-sixteen-grandsons-of-noah

              Now he’ll cut-n-paste the missing foot-notes which will most likely be the opinions of men. Perhaps even learned men however i’m fairly sure most of what he could offer is currently being addressed anyway.

              @Donovan. What do i know about Scripture? I know that anyone reading this exchange has everything they need, at their very fingertips, to examine their Bible in the most minute, and often excruciating, detail. Just like what WALTER did for us with the word (name) Ashkenaz. Don’t you know that Scripture teaches, defines and explains itself?

              Now then, in case you hadn’t noticed, WALTER provided three independent sources to support his position and i’m suggesting that you, Donovan, will need to meet a similar standard lest your arguments be scorned and yourself soundly chided.

              Oh and don’t waste your time worrying about my feelings, i’ve got my big boy pants on. And mommy said i was allowed, on the internets, but that i’m not to leave the basement.

              Please excuse the double posting. I put it down to stupidity.

            • Donovan

              walter the salty troll and his buttkick mayhem, Why are you so anal?
              I know you sphincter loving sodomites are shills for BIN. You are both extremely prejudice and evil Japhethite devils. All I hear from you is empty rhetoric because your trying too hard to earn your shill paycheck by diverting from the truth. Why don’t you show me some Scripture, but you can’t because there is no solid evidence that you two neanderthals had any culture at all. You were barbarians even while Jesus walked the earth. tsk, tsk. Even though Josephus tells your lineage to your face Japhethite you still deny it! Ezekiel tells you straight up from the Holy Bible and you still close your ears, how pathetic. Daniel the Holy End time prophet makes it obvious and you are still in denial. Bible scholars shout it out to you trolls and you cry like little girls. You white people are all from the lineage of Japheth, so give me proof otherwise. Tell me in the Holy Scripture where it says white people became the Israelite people. I am waiting!

            • CAPTAIN CHAOS!!

              Mayhem,

              Footnote indicators with no footnotes is a dead giveaway that the fella swiped what he posted, uncredited. But because he wrote ‘caps emphasis mine’ at the bottom of his production, we’ll attribute his oversight to inexperienced hyper-enthusiasm rather than to guile.

              And Donovan,

              I had written the following before I saw your latest post. You are an exemplary representative of someone – but it sure as hell isn’t the Son of God. My instinct is to ignore you, and from now on I will. But because I wrote this for you, I will post it anyway. You well and truly need all the help you can get:

              The authors you ‘borrowed’ from did provide footnotes. That’s a good place to start. Rather than resorting to what other men have pieced together to make your arguments, go and explore the sources of their information for yourself. You’ll see that with the exception of the Greece/Javan connection, very little of what you posted has merit. And your argument bleeds out entirely once you begin including Iranians, Indians and Armenians in your Japheth = white man allegation.

            • Mayhem

              I’m not the one making the claims, Donovan, you are so i don’t have to tell you anything and why are you now trying to turn the conversation toward bottoms? Lets stick to discussing Scripture rather than personalities, shall we?

              For example; none of the passages, you cited, make the case that Japheth is the patriarch of the Gentiles. Not without reference to the opinions of men they don’t and yet you were asked for Scriptural evidence and corroborating witnesses which are also expected to be Scriptural.

            • Stickler

              MayHem, the christo-CREEP!
              With all the PURE, unadulterated christo-CRAP you have thrown over the years, the funniest has been your constant crap about new zeeeeeeland NOT allowing nukes on it’s STOLEN judeo-christo-FREAK islands!
              So what, christ-freak boy?
              You FOOLS are eating your radiation, RIGHT NOW!
              So, maygirl, EAT UP, and then believe yourself right out of this world, AND INTO THE VOID that you will enter when you DIE here on HELL, you pathetically mentally diseased Caucasian male judeo-christo-FREAK of BIN! Eat some more beef, too, you douche bag for the white-skinned mangod FABLE!

              https://www.3news.co.nz/nznews/kiwis-exposed-to-radiation-in-seafood—study-2015081507#axzz3ipQ2JViV

              New Zealanders who eat a lot of seafood may be exposing themselves to radiation and putting their health at risk, a study suggests.
              Researchers found seafood such as mussels, paua and oysters contained concentrated levels of radiation.
              Those at particular risk were sub-populations for whom fish consumption was culturally important and those relying of fishing and shellfish collection to feed their families, the study’s authors said in an article released on Friday.
              “Seafood has importance to the New Zealand population as a source of nutrition consumed in considerable amounts by some sectors of the community,” they said.
              “Chemical contaminants in seafood can therefore lead to significant health burdens to the population and it is an important public health function to identify the contaminants of concern and characterise their exposure.”
              Researchers measured levels of radioactive caesium and polonium in 36 kinds of seafood.
              Levels of caesium were of minimal dietary concern, but levels of polonium could “contribute significantly to the dietary does of ionising radiation for high seafood consumers, although the magnitude varies considerably depending on the composition of seafood species consumed,” the researchers said.
              They found levels in New Zealand were the same as found in other countries, which suggested the radiation was a worldwide result of global nuclear testing rather than the 2011 Fukushima incident.
              Radiation levels were higher in seafood than other foods, they said.
              The study by Andrew Pearson, Sally Gaw, Nikolaus Hermanspahn and Chris Glover was published in the Journal of Environmental Radioactivity earlier this year.
              SEAFOOD WITH HIGHER CONCENTRATED RADIATION LEVELS:
              Slapjack tuna
              greenshell mussels
              paua
              queen scallop
              rock lobster
              Bluff oyster
              littleneck clams
              NZN

              WOW!
              With ALL the Racial derision by Caucasian white-skinned male christo-CREEPS on BIN towards ANYONE of color, let us chant together!
              THE WHITE MAN IS NUMBER 1!
              THE WHITE MAN IS NUMBER 1! THE WHITE MAN IS NUMBER 1! THE WHITE MAN IS NUMBER 1!
              The 1# PLANET KILLER OF ANY OTHER RACE OF HUMAN BEINGS ON THIS PLANET!

              Jes pointin out the obvious, maygirl, and the Caucasian Male judeo-christo-FREAKS of ameriiiSCUM!!!!!!!!

              Fukushima polar vortex radiation in USA exceeds 2-3 times for evacuation
              December 9, 2014 By Alfred Lambremont Webre 30 Comments
              http://newsinsideout.com/2014/12/part-leuren-moret-fukushima-radiation-haarp-nuclear-polar-vortexes-exceeds-2-3-times-limits-mandating-immediate-evacuation-usa/
              PART I – Leuren Moret: Fukushima radiation from HAARP nuclear polar vortexes exceeds 2-3 times limits mandating immediate evacuation of USA
              By Alfred Lambremont Webre
              NewsInsideOut.com
              https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e5zSzZvAu8c
              WATCH ON YOU TUBE
              Radiation Alert: Flying is hazardous to your health
              Leuren Moret reported on massive increases in the upper atmospheric radiation column from levels 20 years ago. For example, radiation levels of 8 BQs/sec were reported in a commercial airline cabin in a flight across the continental United States, compared to 5 BQs requiring immediate evacuation of that airliner. Airline crews, notably pilots, who are continually exposed to these lethal levels of radiation, are reporting high levels of radiation illness, including premature death, heart disease, cancer and other illnesses.
              Moreover, the “Wigner effect” in which radiation weakens metal joints, bolts and key airliner parts, has accelerated to the point where one of the two major Japanese airlines shut down in the summer of 2014 because of lack of airplane maintenance and lack of pilots. One U.S. entrepreneur reportedly abandoned plans to revive Eastern Airlines once he was briefed on the atmospheric radiation effects on crew mortality and on equipment, let alone passengers. “The airline industry is dead,” he was heard to say.
              Mandatory evacuation of the USA: Radiation levels are genocidal and unreported
              In Part I Leuren Moret reports recent radiation readings on the continental United States following these HAARP generated polar vortex and nuclear typhoons that is two to three times the levels requiring Hazmat clothing and immediate evacuation. These show a range of 11 to 15 BQs/sec at ground level in many parts of the U.S. The standard requiring Hazmat clothing and immediate evacuation is well below that at 5 BQs/sec. Readings in the continental U.S. as high as 600 – 1000 BQ/sec. have been obtained following a Fukushima radiation-bearing HAARP “bombing” by polar vortex and nuclear typhoons radiation plumes.
              Asked why (1) public health authorities, or (2) members of the public with Geiger counters are not reporting these levels, Ms. Moret replied that
              There is an extensive cover-up designed to prevent the North American and world public from knowing true radiation levels;
              Radiation cover-up-There are sophisticated stealth algorithms used in creating HAARP polar vortexes and nuclear plumes, steering them to Fukushima to fill with radiation, and then steering these plumes around the world to bombard the world with targeted radiation as part of the depopulation program. Website launching Dec 8.
              Electronic cover-up – There is a worldwide electronic cover-up to desensitize civilian Geiger counters programs to actual radiations levels.
              HAARP radiation Polar Vortex
              GEOENGINEERING AND HAARP GLOBAL NUCLEAR GENOCIDE: Polar Vortex wind patterns forming in the North Pacific Nov. 10, 2014. After loading up on Fukushima radiation earlier in the week, two nuclear vortices moved into the north Pacific and headed for the Arctic region. The one on the right (below Alaska) moved down the west coast of the US, contaminating the food baskets of Canada and the US. The second nuclear vortex formed the Polar Vortex that moved down the middle of Canada and the US, then turned east to contaminate the entire US east of the Rocky Mountains. It is obvious that certain global regions were protected from radiation exposure by HAARP heating, creating high pressure zones over Russia, Korea, China, and Central and South America. This wind storm image confirms that Fukushima radiation from Japan, and the tsunami debris field stretching across the Pacific, serve as radiation sources for nuclear typhoons and storms thrown at North America. Accelerated genocide is the desired endpoint.
              SOURCE: http://www.iweathernet.com/global-wind

            • Donovan

              walter,
              You are losing face, because you are still diverting from my question. Where in the Holy Scripture does it say white people became the lineal descendants of Israel? You got busted in your Ashkenazi blunder, because you know they are white people JUST LIKE YOU!. Lol. Here is a COPY AND PASTE(CAPS EMPHASIS MINE) from the horses mouth: I am prejudiced. In the extreme. I hold the words and the work of men in the lowest esteem. Your links are worthless. The white man is the most evil creature on the face of God’s Good Earth. That’s because he’s completely turned his back on his Creator. The white man loves LIES more than most.
              So from this extremely prejudice caricature comes forth spewing lies with concentrated evil, how quaint! I don’t believe a damn thing you print anymore, because your words are moot. :smile: PEACE

            • Mayhem

              I wonder, Stickler, if the Creator God had something like this in mind when He commanded not to eat the bottom dwelling filter feeders (Shellfish)?

              Don’t you know that once all of the nuclear material from Fukushima is diluted into the Pacific ocean alone that the effect will be an increase in radiation of around one tenth of one percent?

              Don’t be afraid, my friend, it’s going to be alright and it’ll all work out in the long run. Remember how Chernobyl was going to end the world and how did that work out?

              @Donovan. Interestingly you are now claiming victory in spite of the fact that you’ve posted no Scripture applicable to your position. Did you learn that technique from Charley Sheen’s example? Winner (sarc).

              @WALTER. I merely said out loud what you had hinted at and was agreeing with you when i said “But of course…”

            • Donovan

              Mayhem, in your face! I provided Scripture and then some, but it is you and your butkus bro who can’t give me ample evidence of anything other to divert! I am not dissing white people and being called a bigot is not acceptable. I love white people, they are the most beautiful people and are talented. I am hoping that there are some or a lot who say yeah, “white power” and “It’s grreeaat to be Japheth”!!! There is so much evidence of Japheth migration north to Europe exactly where the Holy Bible states, that you can’t ignore. Straight out lying and saying don’t trust what man writes, or you copy and pasted, or the Holy Bible is wrong, just makes you sound, well a little delusional or a disinfo agent. God set the boundaries and times for the races, so integration in america is a big failure. All I am saying is it is good too be Japheth white, yeah! It is good to be Shem Oriental, yeah! It is good to be Ham Black, yeah! Rejoice in how God made you and stop trying to be someone your not. God bless you and I hope you have a great life! I know my place in the world and am confident knowing that Shem is our Oriental Patriarch! If you really want Biblical truth in the interpretation of the Table of Nations google- Oriental Origins in the Bible. :smile: peace
              //www.antioch.sg/article.php/20030504102718782/print

      • ViewPoint

        The modern names and descendents of ancient nations are often speculative and in dispute, but their right to the name Israel is validated, among other things, by the divine protection they have received since their rebirth in 1948. Most anyone that takes the time to objectively examine the historical record can see that it was nothing short of divine. Israel was attacked by 5 Muslim nations the very next day after achieving their nationhood… and although the attacking nations had decades to develop economically and militarily while Israel had a single day… and although only a single nation (not the U.S.) sold the desperately needed weapons to Israel while the attacking nations had the unlimited backing of 12 other Muslim nations… Israel who did not even have a single day to get on its feet and is a sliver in size compared to any one of the attacking nations, was astoundingly and miraculously victorious. It happened again in 1967 and again in 1973. It is written that Israel will never again be defeated until the very end of the age when Israel is split and Jerusalem taken… and just as it appears as if Israel will be defeated for the first time since its rebirth, Yeshua Himself will come to her defense… … it is the event that will prompt His second return.

        Incidentally, it has been reported by alternative news and by on-the-ground witnesses that there are now checkpoints around Jerusalem. Subsequently, all Israeli Jews attempting to enter their capital must first show ID. In light of the recent U.S. Supreme court ruling against a man who was denied the right to list on his passport his factual birthplace as Jerusalem, Israel on the assertion that Jerusalem is not in Israel… and in addition to the most recent development that Jews were evicted from their homes in northern Jerusalem indicates that Jerusalem is about to be internationalized and seized.

        • CAPTAIN CHAOS!!

          “…their right to the name Israel is validated, among other things, by the divine protection they have received since their rebirth in 1948.”

          Flat-out wrong and dangerous thinking. Scripture teaches about the birthright: How it is passed and with whom it resides. There is no reason, and there is no excuse, to engage in speculation about the matter.

          Nothing could be further from the truth than the assertion that the people living in the land today do so with the blessing of the Almighty. He permits them to park their circus act where they have – but only for a season and only because in doing so, they further His good purposes. And He told us they would and He named them for us. Do you see any window for excuses slamming shut in our faces? I do.

          Protection? They haven’t even been there for a whole seventy years yet. We’ll just see about that ‘protection.’

          He tells us who they are. And so far from being the ‘apple of His eye’ – He tells us He hates them.

          Some things we can be wrong on, ViewPoint. But for all of me, this isn’t one of them. Unless, that is, you care to take your place among the horrendously deceived once the destruction begins in earnest. Then you can look the Judge in His eye and explain to Him why you didn’t take Him at His word.

        • Damien

          it was nothing short of divine
          ————

          Well, it was British anyway (see – Caesar, Jesus, Vespasian, Titus, Constantine).

        • they.pierced.My.hands.and.My.feet.

          Jumping in for a side note question, which I have never got any response, but I believe I’ll get it here.

          “since their rebirth in 1948″
          How can this be said, in the light of Jeremiah 38:36 ? LXX

          “if these ordinances cease from before me, saith the Lord, then shall the family of Israel cease to be a nation before me forever.”

          Note: Apparently the Mesoretics left out some chapters, because this same scripture is chapter 31 in their translation.

          • Ephraim

            Jeremiah 31:31 Brenton (38:31) Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Juda:

            Jeremiah 31:33 Brenton (38:33) For this is my covenant which I will make with the house of Israel; after those days, saith the Lord, I will surely put my laws into their mind, and write them on their hearts; and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people.

            Jeremiah 31:36 Brenton (38:36) if these ordinances cease from before me, saith the Lord, then shall the family of Israel cease to be a nation before me forever.

            Jeremiah 31:37 Brenton (38:37) Though the sky should be raised to a greater height, saith the Lord, and though the ground of the earth should be sunk lower beneath, yet I will not cast off the family of Israel, saith the Lord, for all that they have done.

            I will use Masoretic references for convenience although the LXX (Brenton translation) references are at the right side.

            31:31 This verse established the message as being given to both the deported house of Israel and the soon to be destroyed and deported house of Judah.

            31:33 is the prophecy of the New Covenant that was proclaimed by the life, death, and resurrection of Jesus Christ. The laws are to be written in their minds and on their hearts.

            31:36 God states if these New Covenant ordinances (laws) cease then the family of deported northern Israel will cease to be a nation (or nations).
            However, in 31:37 (and other verses in the vicinity) God declares in poetic language that He is all-mighty and this will not occur according to His power and authority.

            • Ephraim

              I guess I didn’t actually answer your question, so here it is – this verse has nothing to do with the current state of Israel but everything to do with the deported northern state of Israel which is fulfilled with the Church and true Christians.

            • they.pierced.My.hands.and.My.feet.

              Yeah, ok, looks like the words “rebirth” is part of the identity deception. Shortly after I posted, it occurred to me that using the word “rebirth”
              ( of Israel ), during the times that “reborn”,
              “born again”, etc is important in the Kingdom of God understanding, can create confusion among some probably, especially those on the way to the Lord, who don’t yet actually know the experience of being “born again”, born from above, born of God.

      • HereAmI

        Interesting point about what might happen if the swine residing in Canaan at the moment got their come-uppance via a deluge of fire and brimstone; perhaps this will be the trigger for the great apostasy which is prophesied to come upon the earth.
        It seems that multitudes of the so called christian zionist persuasion would not be able to deal with the fact; and for all their pious words, I suspect that Leahz and Haven would be in the vanguard of those renouncing the faith.
        “And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie, that they all might be damned, who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness”.

        • maxxy

          Hereami…I didn’t understand your post, but I think you disparaged the inhabitants of the state of Israel. Since you are an example of a material, earthly oriented person, rather than a spiritually oriented person, I can see how and why you feel that way.
          Whatever these people are doing, is God’s will. What’s happening, now, is setting the stage for the revealing of the spurious messiah. You seem to be really obtuse in that respect. How do we know if this is God’s will, you ask? Cause that’s what’s happening…that’s how.
          You’ve either got faith that He knows what He is doing, or you don’t, and believe you know how it is supposed to be. That is arrogance. Vanity.

          • Stickler

            Hey, maxxy, you christo-TRAITOR!
            MOVE your pitiful little judeo-christo-CREEP arse to isra-HELL, immediately.
            Cause if you repeat on the street to me what you just wrote, you traitorous bastard, I will BEAT YOUI TO A BLOODY PULP, ON THE SPOT!
            So, run your mouth off on the streets of ameriiiSCUM, you little christo-COWARD, and see how fast you get to taste YOUR OWN BLOOD!

      • Mayhem

        But of course Donovan never wrote that treatise on the scattering, WALTER, all he did was add some ALL-CAPS for emphasis.

        http://creation.com/the-sixteen-grandsons-of-noah

        Now he’ll cut-n-paste the missing foot-notes which will most likely be the opinions of men. Perhaps even learned men however i’m fairly sure most of what he could offer is currently being addressed anyway.

        @Donovan. What do i know about Scripture? I know that anyone reading this exchange has everything they need, at their very fingertips, to examine their Bible in the most minute, and often excruciating, detail. Just like what WALTER did for us with the word (name) Ashkenaz. Don’t you know that Scripture teaches, defines and explains itself?

        Now then, in case you hadn’t noticed, WALTER provided three independent sources to support his position and i’m suggesting that you, Donovan, will need to meet a similar standard lest your arguments be scorned and yourself soundly chided.

        Oh and don’t waste your time worrying about my feelings, i’ve got my big boy pants on. And mommy said i was allowed, on the internets, but that i’m not to leave the basement.

        • Mr. Raccoon

          little maygirl, On your knees, you pathetic judeo-christo-FREAK of BIN!
          And, practice for ALL OF ETERNITY to worship your EVIL Caucasian Tyrant of a white-skinned mangod FOREVER!
          ON YOUR KNEES, YOU peasant of a peon!
          For, maygirl, YOU ARE Pure EVIL!

          • Mayhem

            I missed you too, Coonster, where were you for the last week, banned again?

    • Judge Roy Bean

      Jacob-Israel passing the birthright to Joseph’s sons:
      Gen 48:16

      16 The Angel which redeemed me from all evil, bless the lads; and let my name be named on them, and the name of my fathers Abraham and Isaac; and let them grow into a multitude in the midst of the earth.
      KJV

      Gen 48:17-20

      17 And when Joseph saw that his father laid his right hand upon the head of Ephraim, it displeased him: and he held up his father’s hand, to remove it from Ephraim’s head unto Manasseh’s head.

      18 And Joseph said unto his father, Not so, my father: for this is the firstborn; put thy right hand upon his head.

      19 And his father refused, and said, I know it, my son, I know it: he also shall become a people, and he also shall be great: but truly his younger brother shall be greater than he, and his seed shall become a multitude of nations.

      20 And he blessed them that day, saying, In thee shall Israel bless, saying, God make thee as Ephraim and as Manasseh: and he set Ephraim before Manasseh.
      KJV

      Esau-Edom or now Edomite-Jews are alive and well and actually have control of the wealth and resources on this earth.
      Knowledge you are not suppose to know or understand. Ever wonder why some books of the bible were removed?

      2 Esd 6:9

      9 For Esau is the end of the world, and Jacob is the beginning of it that followeth.
      KJV

    • catniris

      They know they are not Judah or Israel. See http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/ejud_0002_0007_0_07178.html About 1/5 of the way down the page… “Another of Schechter’s early discoveries was the remains of an extensive literary epistle concerning the kingdom of the Khazars.”…. Long document but very interesting about the Cairo Genizah contents in the late 1800′s. It only takes a few generations of family stories being handed down before the stories become “truth”.

    • Anonymous

      Jesus Christ inherits all. Daniel 7:13-14 and Revelation 10

      As sovereign creator king of the universe, He will take back all His possession and share it with those He has adopted as heirs. He knows those who belong to Him. He wants a people who love and worship Him in spirit and in truth.

      He is the executor of God’s will in the redemption of mankind. He bought us out of the slave market of sin with the blood that was owing.

      He has power of attorney to persuade the Judge on our behalf and He has obtained mercy for us.

      He holds the title deed to the earth and the fullness thereof. He’s coming to take it back from the unwise stewards. Some will try to argue but they will not win.

      The person of Jesus Christ is the true fulfillment of prophecy from beginning to end. Wannabe usurpers of any stripe don’t have a leg to stand on. Better to be broken now than broken later.

      It’s all there in scripture for those who have eyes to see and ears to hear.

      • HereAmI

        …and a heart to understand.

    • catniris

      They know they are not Judah or Israel. See http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/ejud_0002_0007_0_07178.html About 1/5 of the way down the page… “Another of Schechter’s early discoveries was the remains of an extensive literary epistle concerning the kingdom of the Khazars.”…. Long document but very interesting about the Cairo Genizah contents in the late 1800′s. It only takes a few generations of family stories being handed down before the stories become “truth”. About 1/3 down page begin at “In the late 1940′s……Another letter made it evident that. contrary to many scholars, other nationalities than the French were represented among the crusaders for in it mention was made of the “cursed ones who were called Ashkenazim”.

    • Amminadab

      There are no Bible prophecies that apply to the Jews after 34 A.D., or the country of Israel after the destruction of Jerusalem in 70 A.D.

      THE CHRISTIAN TODAY IS CONSIDERED ISRAEL
      PROPHETIC STATEMENT

      Genesis 49:10, “The sceptre shall not depart from Judah, nor a lawgiver from between his feet, until Shiloh come; and unto him shall the gathering of the people be.”

      Hosea 2:23 And I will sow her unto me in the earth; and I will have mercy upon her that had not obtained mercy; and I will say to them which were not my people, Thou art my people; and they shall say, Thou art my God.

      PROPHETIC STATEMENT REPEATED BY CHRIST (He is speaking to Jews here)

      Matthew 21:43 Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.

      PROPHECY FULFILLED

      Acts 13:46 Then Paul and Barnabas waxed bold, and said, It was necessary that the word of God should first have been spoken to you: but seeing ye put it from you, and judge yourselves unworthy of everlasting life, lo, we turn to the Gentiles.
      Romans 2:28,29 For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh: But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.
      Romans 9:6-8 Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel: Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called. That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.
      Galatians 3:29 And if ye be Christ’s, then are ye Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise.

      Also notice what Jesus Himself said to the Jews…

      Mark 12:1-12, “And he began to speak unto them by parables. A certain man planted a vineyard, and set an hedge about it, and digged a place for the winefat, and built a tower, and let it out to husbandmen, and went into a far country. And at the season he sent to the husbandmen a servant, that he might receive from the husbandmen of the fruit of the vineyard. And they caught him, and beat him, and sent him away empty. And again he sent unto them another servant; and at him they cast stones, and wounded him in the head, and sent him away shamefully handled. And again he sent another; and him they killed, and many others; beating some, and killing some. Having yet therefore one son, his wellbeloved, he sent him also last unto them, saying, They will reverence my son. But those husbandmen said among themselves, This is the heir; come, let us kill him, and the inheritance shall be ours. And they took him, and killed him, and cast him out of the vineyard. What shall therefore the lord of the vineyard do? he will come and destroy the husbandmen, and will give the vineyard unto others. And have ye not read this scripture; The stone which the builders rejected is become the head of the corner: This was the Lord’s doing, and it is marvellous in our eyes? And they sought to lay hold on him, but feared the people: for they knew that he had spoken the parable against them: and they left him, and went their way.”

      ANOTHER PROPHETIC FACT…

      Jeremiah 31:35-37, “Thus saith the LORD, which giveth the sun for a light by day, and the ordinances of the moon and of the stars for a light by night, which divideth the sea when the waves thereof roar; The LORD of hosts is his name: If those ordinances depart from before me, saith the LORD, then the seed of Israel also shall cease from being a nation before me for ever. Thus saith the LORD; If heaven above can be measured, and the foundations of the earth searched out beneath, I will also cast off all the seed of Israel for all that they have done, saith the LORD.”
      http://www.remnantofgod.org/israel.htm

      • Anonymous

        All who looked forward to Christ and all look back to Christ for salvation are heirs: This is the Church, the Israel of God. Galatians 6:16 & Hebrews 11:13

        For you are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus …

        There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave or free man , there is neither male nor female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus.

        And if you belong to Christ Jesus, then you are Abraham’s offspring, heirs according to promise. Galatians 3:26-29

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