Millennial Assumptions
MILLENNIAL ASSUMPTIONS
There are several assumptions that must be made concerning the millennium due to the lack of conclusion based scriptural facts.
1. Are earth people left alive after the plagues of God and the battle of Armegeddon have devastated the planet?
2. Do the raptured dead and living return to the earth or stay in the heavenly realm?
3. All sea creatures are destroyed and most likely all land animals due to the non-drinkable water of the plagues as well as vegetation. Is there a recreation at the beginning of the millennium?
4. Will cities and towns be rebuilt such as Jerusalem or will the New Jerusalem descending from heaven at the end of the millennium be the center of life.
5. Will Jesus rule with a rod of iron on an actual earth with an actual population for 1000 years? If so, why will a rod of iron rule be necessary if everyone is a raptured believer with a transformed angelic body?
PREMILLENNIALISM (or Chiliasm)
In reading the early Church fathers, one quickly learns that they believed that Christ is going to establish a temporal kingdom on earth after His return to endure for one thousand years. There are virtually no early church documents prior to AD 325 which support a different view.
The most striking point in the eschatology of the ante-Nicene age (prior to the council of Nicea) is the premillennial view, that is the belief of a visible reign of Christ in glory on earth with the risen saints for a thousand years, before the general resurrection and judgment. The historical evidence indicates that the premillennial view, (as it is called today) was the predominant belief of the church for the first three centuries. That is, the Millennial kingdom of Christ was the general doctrine of the Primitive Church, from the times of the Apostles to the Nicene Council.
AMILLENNIALISM
After the Nicene Council of AD 325 there was a prominent shift from the expectation of a millennial reign following the return of Christ to a spiritualized kingdom of unlimited duration before the return of the Lord. This amillennial view holds that “at the second coming of Christ the resurrection and judgment will take place, followed by the eternal order of things”. This view sees the current church age as the millennium.
There are two differing views within this camp concerning the believer’s 1000-year reign with Christ spoken of in Revelation 20:4-6. One group sees this as speaking of the intermediate state of believers between death and resurrection. It refers to the reign of the souls of the blessed dead with Christ in the intermediate state. The second group holds that the entire church age, from the first coming of Christ until His second coming, is to be equated with the Millennium and that the active and aggressive church leaders on earth is now reigning with Christ.
This shift to what is now called amillennialism began slowly during the second and third centuries, and then picked up speed until by the middle of the sixth century there were only a few remaining pockets of belief in a literal thousand-year kingdom on earth. The dominance of amillennialism continued up to and beyond the Reformation, and only in the 19th century was the view of a literal thousand-year reign upon the earth revived.
POSTMILLENNIALISM
This view holds that the kingdom of God is a present reality which began with Jesus, and that its purpose is essentially to usher in the reign of Christ. It is expected that all nations will be converted to Christianity followed by approximately one thousand years of peace before Christ’s return. It isn’t until after the thousand years of peace that there will be an outbreak of apostasy and rebellion against God and it will be during this time that the Antichrist will become active before he is vanquished by the return of Christ.
TWO PROPHECIES OF THE MILLENNIUM
There are a few expositors (maybe more) who have discerned there are two prophetic views concerning events after Armageddon. One describes earthly and human life as highly enhanced but still containing elements of normalcy such as: birth, old age, death, eating, drinking, cohabitation, physical events, and work (manual labor). This earth age will be the 1000 year reign of Jesus Christ. Life spans will be enhanced, crops will be abundant, water will be pure, animals will be docile grass eaters, and there will be no government agencies or any type. There will be some burdens but only in limited forms.
The second and last age will be eternal. The New Jerusalem will descend from God from the heavens and will be the eternal residence of all people who will be as the angels. There will be no birth, old age, sin, sorrow, or death. If there is any eating or drinking, it will be from the trees and waters of life.
In many prophetic instances, both of these ages are presented within the same passage of Scripture. Such an interpretation recognizes that the writers of Scripture often arranged their materials in a topical rather than a chronological order. That is, the eternal state may be addressed prior to the reign of Christ age. Isaiah 65: 17-19 is describing the eternal state but then Isaiah 65: 20-25 breaks the chronological order expected in the chapter and interjects a related note about Jerusalem during the 1000 year millennium.
Almost universally the early church believed Revelation 20:1–6 to represent a period of time as the 1000 year millennium or reign of Christ. This period would begin with a resurrection of the righteous dead in Christ and conclude with a resurrection of all the dead. At the end of this period (the 1000 year reign of Christ), Satan would be loosed for one last opportunity at opposing God before being finally and forever vanquished.
After laboring to sort out the seemingly contradictory millennial statements in the Revelation and the Old Testament prophets, the concept of two final ages makes perfect sense to me. It may not be correct, but I am willing to live with it until (or if possible) a more satisfactory concept is brought forth.
The Eternal State: Isaiah 65: 17-19
For, behold, I create new heavens and a new earth: and the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind. (18) But be ye glad and rejoice for ever in that which I create: for, behold, I create Jerusalem a rejoicing, and her people a joy. (19) And I will rejoice in Jerusalem, and joy in my people: and the voice of weeping shall be no more heard in her, nor the voice of crying.
The Millennial State: Isaiah 65: 20-25
20) There shall be no more thence an infant of days, nor an old man that hath not filled his days: for the child shall die an hundred years old; but the sinner being an hundred years old shall be accursed. (21) And they shall build houses, and inhabit them; and they shall plant vineyards, and eat the fruit of them. (22) They shall not build, and another inhabit; they shall not plant, and another eat: for as the days of a tree are the days of my people, and mine elect shall long enjoy the work of their hands. (23) They shall not labour in vain, nor bring forth for trouble; for they are the seed of the blessed of the LORD, and their offspring with them. (24) And it shall come to pass, that before they call, I will answer; and while they are yet speaking, I will hear. (25) The wolf and the lamb shall feed together, and the lion shall eat straw like the bullock: and dust shall be the serpent’s meat. They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain, saith the LORD.
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2 Peter1:20 knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation. There is only one millinium which begins at the last trump (7th) and all of mankind will be changed into spiritual bodies, most will be mortal some ( the elect) will be immortal. These are not my words ,they are the words from the Bible, Zachariah, Ezekiel, 2Corinthians,Hebrews,Rev. Do an in depth study. Nobody is going to pop out of their graves, that is false teaching , not my words,God’s words
When it says that the whole world is deceived and whores after the abomination, it could mean nobody gets through this alive, physically. I’ve caught myself telling people that this planet won’t support life…very soon. This could be the way that Yashua, takes Satan and Co. down.
I put together a list of all the ways we can “blow this world up” just using stuff I got off the news….there was 10 or 12 events that somebody somewhere says is immanent….and soon. Add to that, the animosity among several “nuclear”nations, we have the unenviable distinction of being our very own “apocalypse”.
God’s on the throne and the way Dr Murray explains it there is no nuclear war. The destruction is the antichrist’s spiritual destruction of the Christians who think he is Christ coming to rapture them out of here,its going to happen I’ve talked with my family and friends and they all believe that way. They have been indoctrinated with false teaching. When I first watched SCN it clicked right away and flowed like water.I thank God every day for that
…You can’t look at this world as going forward in physical form….The seventh trump sounds, and all physical life is over….spiritual bodies for every living thing….and a whole new environment.
In the blink of an eye…..All is changed. Hard to imagine….but I believe it.
messengermark and max jones
What do the 7th Day Adventist have to say about the 2nd Exodus?
Here are a few scriptures describing it.
Isaiah 11: 11 – 16
Isaiah 35: 1 -10
Isaiah 27: 13
Jeremiah 16: 14, 15
Jeremiah 31: 6 – 9
The 2nd Exodus comes after Christ sets foot on earth and frees the remnants of the whole house of Israel (all 12 tribes) from captivity. The remnant totally in the 10′s of millions have been held in captivity by the Beast Power for 3 1/2 years. This remnant is the Great Multitude described in Revelation.
When the remnant of Israel finally make it to the Promised Land by way of this 2nd exodus Christ will fulfill His promise to Abraham – Abraham’s seed will finally be given the Promised land in perpetuity.
Truthseeker
Yes the two sticks ( Judah and Israel) will come together. God scattered the the tribes for a reason they wouldn’t listen or obey the commandments but he did make a promise to bring them together again
…The 3rd earth and heaven age begins the instant the Son of God touches the earth….All of the paradigms will be are changed. It will be just as “alien’ to us as the second age was to the first. The one difference for the inhabitants of the earth….is spiritual identification….It will be “natural” for us, because the ‘Physical’ reality that has occluded our vision will no longer be there.
max & messengermark
I have another question;
There were millions of people that died in the flood of Noah, and there have been billions that have lived and died in pagan cultures over the last 6000 years, and maybe 100′s of millions of the unborn that were killed while in the womb on and on — totally into maybe 100 billion.
What happens to them in your understanding of how God is working out our salvation? Does God just dump them all into the trash? Or will they as well have their opportunity for salvation?
I can not accept the ‘speculation’ they all are saved some how with out having to turn over their lives as living sacrifices and enduring until the end. I have been shown how they are given their opportunity I am curious as to what the 7th day folks have come up with.
…seeker…As I understand it, that is what the ‘millenium’ is for. Some people never had a chance to know the truth of Christ’s selfless sacrifice. The ‘blood’ sacrifice to ‘end’ all blood sacrifice.
max
Have you ever studied the the 7 Feasts of God, The Feasts Christ and His disciples kept?
The 7 Feasts are the shadows or the outline of the Plan of Salvation.
The Plan begins with the Passover and Jesus Christ is our Passover Lamb that takes away our debt to sin.
…..What I know is I am an enthusiastic celebrant. The Lord has us in his scheduling. Just remember…the sabbath is a gift from God. Live it, its always there.
Truthseeker
In Noah’s day there wasn’t a savior yet but in heaven the gulf was and is still present,in Acts chapter 2 Jesus went to the prison and freed some of the prisoners ( taught salvation) while he was in the tomb. The unborn and children in death I’m sure they’re with the,Father. God is fair it wouldn’t be right for the people in the new testament to know salvation and not the old besides God has not judged anyone yet , like max said that is what the millinium is for learning the truth some will listen some won’t, hope this helps
messengermark & Max jones
I was not asking the questions because I did not know the answers but only to see what you 7th day folks believe.
Acts 2, for Christ to go some where while in the tomb would mean He had an immortal soul, which would also mean Christ was not dead. If Christ did not die and His dead body lay in a tomb for 3 days and 3 nights then He can not be our Savior. Christ had to cease to exist to pay the penalty for the sins of man.
If man has an immortal soul then how can the gift of God be eternal life? man would already be immortal.
I mentioned the 7 Holy Feasts of God above, the 7th and last Feast in the year is called “The Last Great Day”, This is foreshadowing the time shown in Ezekiel 37 when the 2nd resurrection takes place and all those that never had an opportunity for salvation are resurrected back to physical life and then are given their first chance for salvation.
If all one has to do to gain salvation is die in birth, then why would God make us all go through the pain and suffering of living here in Satan’s world. I have lived over 74 years and measured against the rest of the world I am one of those in the top 1%, —- The government of God can not come fast enough for me I despise this world and everything in it. You are welcome to my share of the world.
The 1000 year reign of Christ will be for establishing the Government of God and preparing the earth as the garden of Eden for the 100 billion that will come up in the 2nd resurrection after the 1000 years.
Revelation 20 explains the Saints of God rule with Christ during the 1000 years as kings and priest and then the rest of the dead (those 100 billion) come up after the 1000 year are finished.
If all scripture is used together the Truth is plain.
….seeker….I haven’t seen the inside of a church in 49 years…
…we all have two bodies…this physical one and a spiritual body. Your spirit is the intellect of your soul. If you are not true Christian, your soul is mortal; liable to die. I don’t believe you have that differentiation. Christ and the Father are one being Christ was not in the tomb. He spent the time with all the souls who had lived and died before his advent. Christ was, is and will always be.
…God is just, He loves us. He’s not the God that looks for ways to “ZAP” his children…He looks for reasons to help and justify us. Innocence is just innocence….can’t be any other way.
…When the silver chord parts, you are in the presence of God….same with every other person who has lived or will live. The good the bad and the ugly all, in spiritual body, go to “paradise”. The elect…the Zedok will minister to those on the far side of the gulf…those with mortal souls. We’ll have a thousand years teaching, and then Satan will be turned loose again to test those souls one more time. Then, comes the White Throne judgement.
….seeker. Your “tests”, are your own. Nobody else in eternity will ever duplicate your life and times. We all face the Lord in our nakedness, spiritually speaking, of course.
….seeker…don’t worry so much about other souls and what they are to God….Its yourself…your soul that is your responsibility, It seems to me that you are just fine…God bless you, old man.
max
I have not fellow shipped with any but the Ecclesia or Church of God for 60 years and I do not have two bodies, I am a mortal man made of dust and when I die I will be dead. I am a soul I am a living breathing creature, I do not HAVE a soul.
At the first resurrection my Father will restore me to life in a Spirit Body made like HIS: at the first resurrection I will be born again into Spirit Immortality in the image of my Father and Jesus Christ. I will be a Spirit Son of God the Father and Jesus Christ will be my older brother.
If you are saying the Father and the Son are one being then you are an antichrist.
They are ONE Spirit, they are of the ONE Spirit as the Father gave life back to Christ while in the tomb by that ONE SPIRIT that is the Father’s Spirit or the Father’s Seed. and it is the same exact SPIRIT with which the Saints of God will be given eternal life.
max are much much further apart then I first thought. I see no further reason to communicate.
…I’ll be sure to stay away you. Traditions of man, make void the word of God……It seems that the ”traditions’ of your church” have you tied in knots, trying to understand your own mortal soul. If you are still a mortal when Christ comes, you’ll have a thousand years to reconsider……
….Things aren’t nearly as complicated as your ‘church’ has taught.