The 144,000 & The Rapture
THE 144,000 AND THE RAPTURE
THE 144,000
Before the wrath of God begins with the trumpet judgments in chapter 8, Revelation chapter 7 is inserted which introduces the 144,000.
For some reason, the wrath is temporarily delayed, perhaps, to announce the selected group of Israelites.
And after these things I saw four angels standing on the four corners of the earth, holding the four winds of the earth, that the wind should not blow on the earth, nor on the sea, nor on any tree. And I saw another angel ascending from the east, having the seal of the living God: and he cried with a loud voice to the four angels, to whom it was given to hurt the earth and the sea, Saying, Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till we have sealed the servants of our God in their foreheads.
(Revelation 7:1-3 KJV)
Four unknown angels are standing on the four corners of the earth, which usually represent the four directions of east, west, north, and south, holding the winds and keeping them from blowing, representing God’s sovereign power over the universe. Their positions also allow them to control the entire earth. When loosened, these winds will cause great damage to the earth, because later, we learn that the four angels have the authority to hurt the earth and sea. They were told, by another angel, to delay hurting the earth, sea, and trees until the Israeli servants of God are sealed, thus, a short delay for the beginning of the wrath of God.
(Revelation 7:4 KJV)
And I heard the number of them which were sealed: and there were sealed an hundred and forty and four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel.
The 144,000 sealed of God consist of 12,000 from each of the twelve tribes of Israel: Judah, Reuben, God, Asher, Naphtali, Manasseh, Simeon, Levi, Issachar, Zebulun, Joseph, and Benjamin. The seal of God will be placed on their forehead, but will be visible only to God and the angelic entities (in my opinion). Again, in my opinion, this will be unlike the mark of the beast which will be visible.
Lehman Strauss writes in his commentary that the sealing is not to happen in the future but is a past event. John declared that he “heard” the number of the ones having been sealed (esphragismenon – passive, perfect, participle – the act of sealing is complete and was done by God). The Jehovah’s Witnesses are not among the 144,000 as they claim.
One commentator insists that this list of tribes is apparently based on blessings and curses. If based on the land grant, Joseph and Levi would be excluded. If based on physical linage, then Manasseh would be excluded because he is not the biological child of Jacob, but is adopted.
The tribe of Dan is not listed among the twelve. The above commentator believes this tribe is excluded because Dan was not blessed. The purpose of the sealing is to prevent physical harm to those sealed. Contrary to many, they are not decreed to become last-days evangelists of the gospel. The reason certain individuals are marked for protection is not directly indicated in the scriptures, although it may be that God is safeguarding certain of His chosen people.
The early church father, Hippolatus, wrote that Dan was omitted because the antichrist will come from the tribe of Dan. His proof scriptures include the following:
Dan shall judge his people, as one of the tribes of Israel. Dan shall be a serpent by the way, an adder in the path, that biteth the horse heels, so that his rider shall fall backward. (Genesis 49:16-17 KJV)
The snorting of his horses was heard from Dan: the whole land trembled at the sound of the neighing of his strong ones; for they are come, and have devoured the land, and all that is in it; the city, and those that dwell therein. (Jeremiah 8:16 KJV)
Hippolatus: Fragment 2.1
14. Thus did the Scriptures preach before-time of this lion and lion’s whelp. And in like manner also we find it written regarding Antichrist. For Moses speaks thus: “Dan is a lion’s whelp, and he shall leap from Bashan.” (Deu_33:22) But that no one may err by supposing that this is said of the Saviour, let him attend carefully to the matter. “Dan,” he says, “is a lion’s whelp;” and in naming the tribe of Dan, he declared clearly the tribe from which Antichrist is destined to spring. For as Christ springs from the tribe of Judah, so Antichrist is to spring from the tribe of Dan.20 And that the case stands thus, we see also from the words of Jacob: “Let Dan be ‘a serpent, lying upon the ground, biting the horse’s heel.” (Gen_49:17) What, then, is meant by the serpent but Antichrist, that deceiver who is mentioned in Genesis, (Gen_3:1) who deceived Eve and supplanted Adam
Most, if not all, modern commentators disagree with Hippolatus and have their own ethnicity for the antichrist: Roman, German, Arab, Assyrian, US president, and others. It is my opinion the AC for either be Jewish or a counterfeit pretending to be Jewish. Only someone claiming to be Jewish could be the Messiah ben David anticipated by the Jewish people and confirm the sacrificial covenant. The tribe of Dan as the ethnicity of the beast (antichrist) is an unknown element.
Over the years (probably centuries) many groups have designated the 144,000 as an indeterminate number of Christian saints, usually of their particular organization. Efforts to spiritualize this group into Christian saints, has no textual basis to support it. The phrase, “from every tribe of the sons of Israel” should settle the matter
THE CATCHING AWAY: THE GATHERING (Rapture)
(Revelation 7:9 KJV)
After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands;
And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other. (Matthew 24:30-31 KJV)
For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
(1 Thessalonians 4:16-17 KJV)
Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him, (2 Thessalonians 2:1 KJV)
And then shall they see the Son of man coming in a cloud with power and great glory. And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh. (Luke 21:27-28 KJV)
Thy dead shall live; my dead bodies shall arise. Awake and sing, ye that dwell in the dust; for thy dew is as the dew of herbs, and the earth shall cast forth the dead. Come, my people, enter thou into thy chambers, and shut thy doors about thee: hide thyself for a little moment, until the indignation be overpast. For, behold, Jehovah cometh forth out of his place to punish the inhabitants of the earth for their iniquity: the earth also shall disclose her blood, and shall no more cover her slain.
(Isaiah 26:19-21 ASV)
One of the elders around the throne of God said to John, “These are they which came out of great tribulation”.
The identification of this multitude around the throne of God is said to be: a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues,
The palm branches represent imagery from the Feast of Tabernacles. They are signs of victory. Palm branches were supposedly placed in the path of Jesus at his triumphal entry into Jerusalem.
Where do the raptured go? They “stood before the throne, and before the Lamb” 7:9 and in another scripture “Therefore are they before the throne of God” Rev 7:15. The gathered saints will always be with the Lord. When Jesus begins his reign in the New Jerusalem which descends to the earth, the raptured saints will be with Him.
(Revelation 7:16-17 KJV)
They shall hunger no more, neither thirst any more; neither shall the sun light on them, nor any heat. For the Lamb which is in the midst of the throne shall feed them, and shall lead them unto living fountains of waters: and God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes.
All reason for human sorrow is gone. Every single tear will be removed or wiped away by the Lord God. The picture is not that the redeemed are so happy that they wipe away their own tears, but God loves them so much that He wipes eyes clear of every single tear.
It is now the moment for the seven angels to sound their trumpets of the wrath of God.
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Ephraim,
The 144,000 and the Great Multitude come out of the Great tribulation, both are in captivity and held by the Beast power. Both are converted during the 2 1/2 years of the Great Tribulation.
The 144,000 never take the mark of the Beast nor worship him in any way and when they are sealed with the Holy Spirit at the beginning of the 7th Seal which is the Day of the LORD and the Wrath of God they become Saints of God and will be in the First resurrection.
The Great Multitude are Israelites mixed with gentiles and at the return of Christ the Great multitude makes the 2nd Exodus to Jerusalem to be given the Promised Land. This exodus may be as many as 30 million or more.
The reason Dan loses his position as one of the 12 tribes is Dan worships the Beast, Dan is Ireland and even now follows the church of the coming false prophet. Dan follows Rome.
No one goes to heaven, and there is no rapture – there are 3 resurrections, one to life, one to judgment and one to condemnation.
Truthseeker;
YOU POSTED:
Ephraim,
The 144,000 and the Great Multitude come out of the Great tribulation, both are in captivity and held by the Beast power. Both are converted during the 2 1/2 years of the Great Tribulation.
THE ANNOINTED 144,000, MOST OF WHOM ARE ALREADY TRANSFORMED INTO SPIRIT BEINGS AND ARE IN HEAVEN, ARE TAKEN TO HEAVEN TO FIGHT THE FINAL BATTLE, AND THEN TO CO-RULE WITH THE CHRIST, FROM HEAVEN, THE EARTH. THEY ARE NOT HELD IN ANY CAPTIVITY TO THE BEAST. THE GREAT CROWD ARE NOT HELD EITHER. THAT IS NOT SCRIPTURAL.
The 144,000 never take the mark of the Beast nor worship him in any way and when they are sealed with the Holy Spirit at the beginning of the 7th Seal which is the Day of the LORD and the Wrath of God they become Saints of God and will be in the First resurrection.
SOME OF THE ANNOINTED HAVE TAKEN THE MARK OF THE BEAST AND ARE NO LONGER OF THE ANNOINTED. THE MARK OF THE BEAST IS THE ACCEPTANCE OF SATAN’S WORLD, AS IT IS NOW. IT IS BEING PART OF THE WORLD, INVOLVEMENT IN IT’S MACHINATIONS, POLITICS, QUEST FOR MONEY OVER GOD, ETC.. THEY ARE IMPERFECT HUMANS JUST LIKE EVERYONE ELSE.
The Great Multitude are Israelites mixed with gentiles and at the return of Christ the Great multitude makes the 2nd Exodus to Jerusalem to be given the Promised Land. This exodus may be as many as 30 million or more.
THE GREAT CROWD ARE NOT ANY PART OF PHYSICAL ISRAEL, BUT ARE PART OF “SPIRITUAL” ISRAEL AND COME FROM ALL NATIONS AND TONGUES. AT LAST COUNT, THE GREAT CROWD IS LESS THAN TEN MILLION.
The reason Dan loses his position as one of the 12 tribes is Dan worships the Beast, Dan is Ireland and even now follows the church of the coming false prophet. Dan follows Rome.
No one goes to heaven, and there is no rapture – there are 3 resurrections, one to life, one to judgment and one to condemnation.
THE FIRST RESURRECTION IS THE ANNOINTED 144,000, MOST OF WHOM WERE TRANSFORMED AT DEATH AND TAKEN TO HEAVEN. THE SECOND RESURRECTION INCLUDES THE RIGHTEOUS AND THE UNRIGHTEOUS, BUT DOES NOT INCLUDE ANYONE DYING IN THE TRIBULATION OR FINAL BATTLE, OR THE GREAT FLOOD.
ALL OF THIS COMES STRAIGHT FROM THE SCRIPTURES. I RECOGNIZE YOUR BELIEFS AS COMING FROM MEN, FROM RELIGION, AND NOT FROM GOD. THAT IS WHAT THE MARK OF THE BEAST IS. ACCEPTANCE OF THE DESIRES OF THE WORLD (MEN) AND REJECTION OF THE TEACHINGS OF GOD.
mikesavage
Satan has you so twisted and confused I have no clue where to start. I must leave your enlightenment to my FATHER and His Son. Even though you are an ANTICHRIST even that condition can be healed in the 2nd resurrection.
Judeo-christian BABBLE ALERT:
BABBLE ALERT BABBLE ALERT:
DO NOT READ ON!
As the rest of all of these posts will just illustrate the PURE futility of ever “believing’ that the judeo-christo-LUNATICS will ever become sane when it comes to “spirituality”!
They will not because of the relentless brain washing from birth they have received from their, then, afflicted with the disease of “faith”, elders!
I bet many BIN readers would probably all be interested to see the way that history is written in 300 years about the demise of “The West” and the type of “judeo-christianity” that was found in the United States of America!!!!!
I propose that the cadence and usage of the English language will change, and everything communicated using language will be done “in rhyme”, to a beat (easier to remember).
Keeping that change in mind, the History of the united Fraudulent Fascist states of MILITARY TERROR will go something like this:
TITLE: History of the White Scam “judeo-christian” Man
White man
A no longer present Race of Caucasian WAR CRIMINALS, OH YEA!
White man
Spread Depleted Uranium Munitions ALL OVER Arab Land
White Man
They thought that “no RETRIBUTION” WAS GOING TO STRIKE “MY” LAND??
White man white man white man white man
White man
The Caucasian male was the ultimate SCAM MAN
White man
These ULTRA-VIOLENT maniacs worshiped the image of a white-skinned man!
White man
For over 500 years, They Killed to Hoard, and would KILL to HOARD MORE, OH, YEA!
White man white man white man white man
White man
He ATE the GMO Foods
White man
He also Slurped down the GMO Budweiser, too
White man
No one now wonders how the white man “sterilized” his race, and was so “mentally ill”
White man White man White man White man
White man
So, we “saved” them
White man
From the clutches of their FOUL “re—lig—on”
White man
Their ‘culture” just expired on it’s own
White man
And, after that, PEACE to ALL on Earth did FLOW!
White man white man white man white man
And, that, I’m afraid, is how the “History of the West” will be written, judeo-christians!!!!!!!!
And, it makes me feel good to see the sudden downfall of this VILE, ULTRA-violent, HOARDING, sexually perverted “White SCAM Man” culture, here, in the united Fraudulent Fascist states of MILITARY TERROR!!!!!
Oh, Lord!
I just Love your very accurate RAP Poetry!
YOU, my Lord, are a true Profit of what is to come for the self-sterilizing white-skinned Caucasian males of N. America!
This song is dedicated to on of their leaders, BEEF JERKY!!!
Please sing the lyrics to the tune of
Puff, The magic Dragon, by Peter, Paul, and Mary.
Beef, the magic dragon
Puffed fire a lot
But no more than produced
By a regular human fart
He thought that he was special
Directly communicating with a mangod
He believed every bit of the FALSE Tale
And it affected his life a lot
He condemned everybody
Who did not follow his words
And that is why BEEF JERKY
Is just a spiritual cowardly turd
Truthseeker;
YOUR POST:
mikesavage
Satan has you so twisted and confused I have no clue where to start. I must leave your enlightenment to my FATHER and His Son. Even though you are an ANTICHRIST even that condition can be healed in the 2nd resurrection.
SATAN DOES NOT HAVE ME CONFUSED, HE HAS YOU AND EVERYONE ELSE WHO IS INVOLVED IN RELIGION CONFUSED. IT IS YOU WHO IS ANTICHRIST, AS YOU BELIEVE JESUS IS GOD. I WON’T BE RESURRECTED, I WON’T DIE. GOD PROTECTS HIS SERVANTS DURING THE FINAL BATTLE, AND I HAVE BEEN ONE OF GOD’S SERVANTS FOR SOME TIME NOW. DOING HIS WILL IS MY LIFE, IT IS MOST CERTAINLY NOT YOURS.
Oh boy….. I am am so glad that Jesus “raptures” me out of the tribulation….for my faith is so weak and my theology is so trivialized, that I know I will be deceived by Satan. I won’t be able to stand true…I’m a person of little faith, and am really scared of what is happening. So, hurrah for the RAPTURE…..It means I won’t have to make a stand or overcome.
One agrees with you in principle Max, but mocking our brethren like that is practically guaranteed to get a few extra hammers rained on your face in That Day. Do you really want that? The Boss is always watching.
As long as we’re LOVING THEM by correcting them there will be no hammers, Beef. I mean look at all the correction I have given you.
yes2truth,
Loving and Mocking are two entirely different things.
I personally have given my thoughts here against the ‘rapture.’
But I disagree with multiple people trying to engage in a conversation on a subject…..and I certainly disagree with the mocking and belittling of a belief set.
State your case with scripture. Do it respectfully and move on.
When several people gang up on one person…..all with accusatory attitudes….it profits nothing.
@ Crowpie
“The ‘healthy’ have no need of The Physician” = Yashua Messiah mocking the Pharisees.
@yes2truth
Then I guess you have no need of HIM.
Christ lived without blemish, put the ear back on the soldier, made the blind to see, the crippled to walk, healed the sick, raised the dead, was and is the Son of God. He had plenty of “ROOM and REASON” to mock.
Until you can do the rest of those things listed above, you might check your “putting yourself in HIS light” on that list of acceptable behavior.
Christ lived without blemish, put the ear back on the soldier, made the blind to see, the crippled to walk, healed the sick, raised the dead, was and is the Son of God. He had plenty of “ROOM and REASON” to mock.
Until you can do the rest of those things listed above, you might want to reconsider whether you are worthy to “mock’ anyone else.
There’s a LOT of Kenites posting here on BIN.
Yes…..I noticed.
@ Crowpie
I already have Him, but it looks like you don’t, as you seem to have no understanding.
Your entitled to your opinion……
“Kenites”, he/she/it says… http://carm.org/serpent-seed-and-kenites
@ CrowPie
The Truth is not an opinion. Only people who do not understand what Yashua Messiah ment by the term “the ‘healthy’ have no need of The Physician” have opinions and remain in ignorance.
@ CrowPie,
Oh dear these slow learners or they not learners at all?
The Truth is not an opinion. Do you actually know what and who The Truth is?
@ CrowPie,
Oh dear – low grade infantile goading and these slow learners or are they not learners at all?
The Truth is not an opinion. Do you actually know what and who The Truth is?
If memory serves, I responded to you in another thread, re. your “Rambo Christian” attitude. Your mockery of people you don’t know and a prophecy viewpoint you don’t understand is appalling and arrogant.
So, Rambo, if us pre-tribbers really are so weak and stupid and deceived, JUST FOR THAT ONE BELIEF and not the Gospel, then you are in for quite a surprise. If we’re wrong, we would LOVE to watch your bad Rambo self take on the AC “face to face” and try to EARN what the rest of us know is a GIFT. If you think dying for the faith isn’t already happening, or that the death the AC will dish out is worse than crucifixion, beheading, burning alive, and other torturous acts, then I dare you to say you’ll hold up better than all the martyrs before you.
Yes, proud Rambo, even though no other generation of Christians ever went through this, not even the apostles, YOU and your own strength will overshadow them all!
Now if you ever want to get down off that pedestal you’ve erected for yourself, maybe we can talk about our differences of OPINION like mature adults. But I’m not holding my breath.
I know you are correct. It is a reaction to ignorant dogma being passed off as gospel. There is lot of that on this forum. Most are obvious fabrications and mis-interpretations meant to further some controversial idea. I think its funny and I tend to like exposing viewpoints which are MEANT to deceive and obfuscate. Pre-trib rapture is one of those. It’s dangerous because Satan knows you’ll believe it when he tells you ‘he’s’ come to fly you out. This is your fate….believing an idea from the troubled mind of a sick girl.
Humanbean, The only “gift’ you get from the Lord is the same opportunity for salvation that is offered to any and all. If you really believe in pre-trib rapture it means…1) Your scripture study is incomplete. 2) You haven’t got the guts to have your faith tested, and therefore NEED to be taken out of the game early.
3). The coming apocalypse has you cowering in the corner. No one can count on your loyalty or dedication…..
Beef Supreme…..I’m not necessarily “mocking”. Just tellin’ like I see it.
We’ll see if the pre-trib believers get on the space ships or wait for the Christ….that’s the telling point.
Personally, I desire deeply to stand against the devil…..I have no fear….I am already dead to this world. These times are what I was created for.
“Pre-trib rapture is one of those. It’s dangerous because…”
Utter hogwash! Jesus will take his people BY FORCE; there will be no time to choose by then. And no, it is NOT funny.
Do not presume my fate, arrogant jerk.
Oh, by the way…
That “girl” NEVER HAD ANY PRETRIB VISION. If anything, she said POST-TRIB RAPTURE. So it’s your ilk who are following a “sick” lie.
@ the serpent man
Pre-trib, post trib, middle trib, under trib, over trib, left side of trib, right side of trib – watchout or you might miss another dimension of the trib. And he/she sounds so ‘convincing’. Hilarious
Human being….Not one reference to ANY kind of rapture till the 1830′s. But what you believe is what you believe….and yes, it is funny….funny how you have bowed to the traditions of men, instead of the Word of God.
As long as you recognize the false “rapture” call, for what it is, you’ll be alright. You seem to be an intelligent fellow…..I wish you the best.
Max;
I don’t want to add insult to injury, but you have been deceived by religion. The scriptures say that ALL religion is false. Jesus started no religion or church, as mistranslations of the scriptures say, but he did start “the one true faith” as he called it. That faith is Christianity. Religions claiming falsely to be Christian (and no religion can be Christian according to scriptures) are actually Christendom. Revelation to John calls them Babylon the Great, the world empire of false religion. It is the scriptures you must adhere to, not religion, churches, or clergy. Religion first was introduced to Earth by Satan in the Garden of Eden. Since then, it has taught false things about God. The definition of religion is the teaching of things about God that differ from what God Himself teaches about Himself. Every religion teaches things different from all other religions. See the point? God’s Word is the only thing that is true. It’s hard to find a translation that isn’t false, as most contain mistranslated words. Ecclesia means people or congregation, and the King James and most others translated it into church. Stauros means stake or upright pole, not cross. No word for hell ever was put into the original scrolls and does not exist. We haven’t got an immortal soul, but we are promised a resurrection. The word pneumos means breath or air, and the KJV translates it into ghost, which is incorrect. Therefore there is no trinity. God is the One God Almighty, Jesus is His only begotten son, the firstborn of all creation. Holy spirit is God’s force that He used to create everything through Jesus, His son. The trinity doctrine comes directly from all pagan relligions, and never was put into a Bible until 325 a.d. Changing one word of scripture changes the meaning of thousands of scriptures, and hundreds are mistranslated in most Bibles. Young’s Literal Translation is a pretty accurate translation. It pretty closely matches the original scrolls upon which the Apostles wrote the Christian Greek scriptures, otherwise known as the New Testament.
Max;
I don’t want to add insult to injury, but you have been deceived by religion. The scriptures say that ALL religion is false. Jesus started no religion or church, as mistranslations of the scriptures say, but he did start “the one true faith” as he called it. That faith is Christianity. Religions claiming falsely to be Christian (and no religion can be Christian according to scriptures) are actually Christendom. Revelation to John calls them Babylon the Great, the world empire of false religion. It is the scriptures you must adhere to, not religion, churches, or clergy. Religion first was introduced to Earth by Satan in the Garden of Eden. Since then, it has taught false things about God. The definition of religion is the teaching of things about God that differ from what God Himself teaches about Himself. Every religion teaches things different from all other religions. See the point? God’s Word is the only thing that is true. It’s hard to find a translation that isn’t false, as most contain mistranslated words. Ecclesia means people or congregation, and the King James and most others translated it into church. Stauros means stake or upright pole, not cross. No word for hell ever was put into the original scrolls and does not exist. We haven’t got an immortal soul, but we are promised a resurrection. The word pneumos means breath or air, and the KJV translates it into ghost, which is incorrect. Therefore there is no trinity. God is the One God Almighty, Jesus is His only begotten son, the firstborn of all creation. Holy spirit is God’s force that He used to create everything through Jesus, His son. The trinity doctrine comes directly from all pagan relligions, and never was put into a Bible until 325 a.d. Changing one word of scripture changes the meaning of thousands of scriptures, and hundreds are mistranslated in most Bibles. Young’s Literal Translation is a pretty accurate translation. It pretty closely matches the original scrolls upon which the Apostles wrote the Christian Greek scriptures, otherwise known as the New Testament. By the way, the “rapture” is not in the scriptures, it is a false teaching of religions.
Max;
I don’t want to add insult to injury, but you have been deceived by religion. The scriptures say that ALL religion is false. Jesus started no religion or church, as mistranslations of the scriptures say, but he did start “the one true faith” as he called it. That faith is Christianity. Religions claiming falsely to be Christian (and no religion can be Christian according to scriptures) are actually Christendom. Revelation to John calls them Babylon the Great, the world empire of false religion. It is the scriptures you must adhere to, not religion, churches, or clergy. Religion first was introduced to Earth by Satan in the Garden of Eden. Since then, it has taught false things about God. The definition of religion is the teaching of things about God that differ from what God Himself teaches about Himself. Every religion teaches things different from all other religions. See the point? God’s Word is the only thing that is true. It’s hard to find a translation that isn’t false, as most contain mistranslated words. Ecclesia means people or congregation, and the King James and most others translated it into church. Stauros means stake or upright pole, not cross. No word for hell ever was put into the original scrolls and does not exist. We haven’t got an immortal soul, but we are promised a resurrection. The word pneumos means breath or air, and the KJV translates it into ghost, which is incorrect. Therefore there is no trinity. God is the One God Almighty, Jesus is His only begotten son, the firstborn of all creation. Holy spirit is God’s force that He used to create everything through Jesus, His son. The trinity doctrine comes directly from all pagan relligions, and never was put into a Bible until 325 a.d. Changing one word of scripture changes the meaning of thousands of scriptures, and hundreds are mistranslated in most Bibles. Young’s Literal Translation is a pretty accurate translation. It pretty closely matches the original scrolls upon which the Apostles wrote the Christian Greek scriptures, otherwise known as the New Testament.
MikeSavage, Emery, and sugharmison,
I had a hard time getting my comment posted too……..but I only have one account.
I don’t think I am religious at all. I am Christian, but that is not a religion. Christianity is my ‘reality’. I live here. I can’t remember ever living any other place. I wake up every morning in the grace of God. If you don’t know what that is, I certainly can’t explain it.
Many evils have come out of the twisted minds of “religious” people. I trust only in the Lord, my God.
Mikesavage…Emery, and sugharmison….the holy trinity, right here on BIN….whooda thunk it?
“I had a hard time getting my comment posted too……..but I only have one account.
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That has to be the FUNNIEST think I’ve ever seen here. Mike Emery Sughair has outed himself as having multiple sock puppet accounts, not being aware that it was the ancient site software acting up and not one of his puppets being blocked.
Well done, multimasker, well done!
I am told that the database corruption at B.I.N. will be repaired shortly, and you can stop calling me by other’s names. Google is also screwed up. My account disappears, comes back, and disappears and comes back again. B.I.N. posts a comment of mine under other’s names. Sounds like NSA is involved (hahaha). Glad you got some of your haughty kicks from it. Now grow up.
“I am told that the database corruption at B.I.N. will be repaired shortly,”
Well well, how did “Mike” get told of this, when nobody else did? “database corruption”… right. And when the same, identical post is posted multiple times each with a different name, it’s obvious to everyone else that this is one person with multiple accounts who kept trying to post because they thought maybe one of their sock puppets got banned.
Methinks he protesteth too loudly. Gotta be embarrassing to be caught out in public like that.
Anyway, this probably will not appear for hours, but I won’t care by then.
“I am told that the database corruption at B.I.N. will be repaired shortly,”
Well well, how did “Mike” get told of this, when nobody else did? “database corruption”… right. And when the same, identical post is posted multiple times each with a different name, it’s obvious to everyone else that this is one person with multiple accounts who kept trying to post because they thought maybe one of their sock puppets got banned. Never mind that this problem of posting under other peoples’ names never happens to anyone else.
Methinks he protesteth too loudly. Gotta be embarrassing to be caught out in public like that.
Anyway, this probably will not appear for hours, but I won’t care by then.
HB;
How did I get a hold of that information? I asked, how else? You are not a very intelligent person. You assume a lot, and have no information upon which to base those false assumtions. Being totally unscripturally informed, you make a LOT of stupid posts about them. You have the intelligence of a bag of used kitty litter. Stop the baloney and become informed about the scriptures, or stop posting crap. You pick a scripture and guess as to it’s meaning, and attack others based on your rediculous and incorrect understanding of them. You take scriptures out of context and again claim they mean something other than what they really mean. Your posts offer no benefit to anyone but you. They serve only to make you feel superior, and trust me, you are not. You know nothing about God or His word at all.
Any ol’ excuse will do, eh?
Max;
There is no rapture. It’s a false teaching of false religion. What religion thinks is a rapture, which is not mentioned at all in the scriptures, is the taking of the remnant of the 144,000 to heaven, just prior to the final battle. They are the ONLY ONES to ever go to heaven. We haven’t got an immortal soul to send there, and no flesh can go to heaven. Don’t be tricked and fooled by religion, which the scriptures say are ALL false.
I’m so sorry for you Mike….you don’t have an immortal soul?…….I do. Poor thing. You may have to cut loose and fall into debauchery and sexual depravity…..hell. why not?…..no heaven….no hell….no judgement……
Why even read scripture?….for you its just a tease
No, seriously, Mike, I think you may not have enough information….really.
max jones
if you have an immortal soul that means you have been alive for eternity or at the very least you will be alive for ever more.
If that is so how can Christ give you the GIFT of eternal life as you already have it?
You may want to look into what the word soul means.
max jones;
YOUR POST IS AS FOLLOWS:
I’m so sorry for you Mike….you don’t have an immortal soul?…….I do.
THAT IS NOT POSSIBLE, AS THE SCRIPTURES ARE EXTREMELY CLEAR THAT WE DO NOT HAVE AN IMMORTAL SOUL. SO YOU ARE IN ESSENCE SAYING THAT GOD’S WORD IS A LIE? NOT POSSIBLE.
Poor thing. You may have to cut loose and fall into debauchery and sexual depravity…..hell. why not?…..no heaven….no hell….no judgement……
Why even read scripture?….for you its just a tease
No, seriously, Mike, I think you may not have enough information….really.
IT IS YOU WHO DON’T HAVE ENOUGH INFORMATION. THERE IS NO HELL, NO IMMORTAL SOUL, NO BURNING FOREVER, ETC. IF ONE DOES THE WILL OF GOD, HE HAS THE POSSIBILITY OF LIVING FOREVER IN A PARADISE EARTH. NOT HEAVEN. IF ONE REJECTS GOD, HE RECEIVES THE SECOND DEATH, WHICH IS PERMANENT DESTRUCTION, GEHENNA, LAKE OF FIRE, AND A COUPLE OTHER METAPHORICAL REFERENCES TO COMPLETE DESTRUCTION. YOU LISTEN TO FALSE RELIGION TOO MUCH, AND TO GOD’S WORD TOO LITTLE.
I can’t believe you guys don’t know what a soul is. My soul is the part of me that totally belongs to the LORD. It is my being from the beginning, and will be forever. The word ‘mortal’ means liable to die. My identification with Christ guarantees immortality…..
Mike ….It seems to me that you are deceived by ‘religion, and I live in reality. Everything you present is so very complicated and obfuscated by intellectualism, that I can’t tell where your ends meet at all. Its getting to the point where you are starting to really belong here on this goofy site. You will have the ‘proof’ you need soon enough.
You can’t ‘earn’ your place in God’s presence.
Max jones
Jesus Christ was raised from the dead by that “ONE” SPIRIT of God the Father.
When a person repents of transgressing the HOLY LAW of God and is baptized into the death, burial and resurrection of Christ and then with the laying on of hands is given God the Father’s Spirit that person has in him the down payment, which Paul calls the earnest, towards eternal life.
Eternal life comes only by God the Father’s Spirit, our debt to sin is paid by the shed blood of Christ but the Gift of eternal life comes by the Father’s Spirit. We are to be Sons of the Father and Christ is to be our brother.
At the First resurrection the Saints are born again into immortal spirit life.
Any that refuse to repent and to obey God when they are called – cease to exist for all eternity.
Humans are a physical chemical electrical life form and all have a termination date, otherwise how can it be THE GIFT OF ETERNAL LIFE?
@ LiesSeeker
We already are sons of God if Born of God via His Holy Spirit.
There are no ‘to be’s’ about it. The only ‘to be’ is the resurrection of the saints when we are transformed into Spirit Beings, whether it be from the grave or as in the twinkling of an eye, if we are alive.
BUT WE HAVE TO BE ALREADY HIS IN ORDER FOR THIS TO HAPPEN – IT CANNOT HAPPEN TO ANYONE WHO STILL CLAIMS TO BE A SINNER OR IN A PROCESS OF TRYING TO KEEP THE LAW. LAW KEEPERS WILL NOT INHERIT THE KINGDOM GOD.
max jones;
YOU POSTED:
Mike ….It seems to me that you are deceived by ‘religion, and I live in reality.
NOT POSSIBLE, AS I HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH ANY RELIGION WHATSOEVER.
Everything you present is so very complicated and obfuscated by intellectualism, that I can’t tell where your ends meet at all.
IF YOU ACTUALLY STUDIED THE ENTIRE SCRIPTURES, COVER TO COVER, AND PUT TWO AND TWO TOGETHER, IT’S ACTUALLY PRETTY EASY. ALL YOU NEED IS AN HONEST HEART WHEN GOD LOOKS AT YOUR HEART, AND THEN HE WILL USE HOLY SPIRIT TO ALLOW YOU TO UNDERSTAND HIS WORD.
Its getting to the point where you are starting to really belong here on this goofy site. You will have the ‘proof’ you need soon enough.
You can’t ‘earn’ your place in God’s presence.
THE ONLY ONES WHO WILL BE IN GOD’S PRESENCE ARE THE ANNOINTED, THE ANGELS, AND THE CHIEF ANGEL, GOD’S SON, JESUS OUR MESSIAH. NO ONE ELSE WILL BE IN GOD’S PRESENCE. YOU SHOW YOUR SCRIPTURAL IGNORANCE BY MAKING SUCH STATEMENTS. NO ONE CAN LOOK UPON THE FACE OF GOD THE ALMIGHTY AND LIVE. FIND THAT SCRIPTURE AND READ THE CONTEXT IT IS IN.
max jones;
YOU POSTED:
Oh boy….. I am am so glad that Jesus “raptures” me out of the tribulation….for my faith is so weak and my theology is so trivialized, that I know I will be deceived by Satan. I won’t be able to stand true…I’m a person of little faith, and am really scared of what is happening. So, hurrah for the RAPTURE…..It means I won’t have to make a stand or overcome.
ONLY THE REMNANT OF THE 144,000 ARE TAKEN TO HEAVEN PRE ARMAGEDDON, AS THEY ARE TO FIGHT IT WITH JESUS. THERE IS NO RAPTURE. THAT IS A TEACHING OF MEN AND RELIGION, NOT OF GOD. NO RAPTURE IS MENTIONED IN THE SCRIPTURES. RELIGION AND MEN TWIST A FEW SELECT SCRIPTURES TO CONVINCE PEOPLE OF A RAPTURE, WHEN THEIR TWISTED VIEW OF THOSE SELECT SCRIPTURES IS COMPLETELY FALSE, A LIE. IF YOU DIE IN THE TRIBULATION OR FINAL BATTLE, THERE IS NO HOPE OF RESURRECTION TO PERMANENT LIFE IN PARADISE EARTH. YOUR DEATH IS YOUR JUDGEMENT. THOSE WHO DIE BEFORE THE TRIBULATION WILL BE RESURRECTED AND GIVEN A MILLENNIUM TO ADHERE TO GOD’S NEW SCROLLS. FAILURE TO DO SO MEANS THE SECOND DEATH. WE DON’T HAVE AN IMMORTAL SOUL AS THE SCRIPTURES ARE CRYSTAL CLEAR IN EXPLAINING.
The 144,000 never take the mark of the Beast nor worship him in any way and when they are sealed with the Holy Spirit at the beginning of the 7th Seal which is the Day of the LORD and the Wrath of God they become Saints of God and will be in the First resurrection.
SOME OF THE ANNOINTED HAVE TAKEN THE MARK OF THE BEAST AND ARE NO LONGER OF THE ANNOINTED. THE MARK OF THE BEAST IS THE ACCEPTANCE OF SATAN’S WORLD, AS IT IS NOW. IT IS BEING PART OF THE WORLD, INVOLVEMENT IN IT’S MACHINATIONS, POLITICS, QUEST FOR MONEY OVER GOD, ETC.. THEY ARE IMPERFECT HUMANS JUST LIKE EVERYONE ELSE.
The Great Multitude are Israelites mixed with gentiles and at the return of Christ the Great multitude makes the 2nd Exodus to Jerusalem to be given the Promised Land. This exodus may be as many as 30 million or more.
THE GREAT CROWD ARE NOT ANY PART OF PHYSICAL ISRAEL, BUT ARE PART OF “SPIRITUAL” ISRAEL AND COME FROM ALL NATIONS AND TONGUES. AT LAST COUNT, THE GREAT CROWD IS LESS THAN TEN MILLION.
The reason Dan loses his position as one of the 12 tribes is Dan worships the Beast, Dan is Ireland and even now follows the church of the coming false prophet. Dan follows Rome.
No one goes to heaven, and there is no rapture – there are 3 resurrections, one to life, one to judgment and one to condemnation.
THE FIRST RESURRECTION IS THE ANNOINTED 144,000, MOST OF WHOM WERE TRANSFORMED AT DEATH AND TAKEN TO HEAVEN. THE SECOND RESURRECTION INCLUDES THE RIGHTEOUS AND THE UNRIGHTEOUS, BUT DOES NOT INCLUDE ANYONE DYING IN THE TRIBULATION OR FINAL BATTLE, OR THE GREAT FLOOD.
ALL OF THIS COMES STRAIGHT FROM THE SCRIPTURES. I RECOGNIZE YOUR BELIEFS AS COMING FROM MEN, FROM RELIGION, AND NOT FROM GOD. THAT IS WHAT THE MARK OF THE BEAST IS. ACCEPTANCE OF THE DESIRES OF THE WORLD (MEN) AND REJECTION OF THE TEACHINGS OF GOD.
When are you idiots going to realise the Rapture is Satanic BS?
http://isthefathercallingyoutohisson.wordpress.com/unravelling-the-satanic-rapture-deception-parts-1-and-2/
So whoever disagrees with you is an idiot? Wow, you have a really high opinion of yourself. YOU may well be wrong, and have blasphemed the Holy Spirit by attributing His teachings to Satan.
Here’s a link for you: http://www.fether.net/index.php?page=refuting-slander-against-the-pre-trib-rapture/
I speak for Yashua Messiah and I know who you speak for – Satan The Devil.
This also means I am never wrong because Yashua Messiah has made me right with Him. How about you?
Are you aware that hu-man beings are serpent creatures? ‘Hu’ from the Hebrew/Gaelic tongue means ‘serpent’ so a hu-man is a serpent man. This means that mankind and hu-man kind are two very different types of beings – one from Adam and Eve and the other from Eve and The Devil.
You might want to think about changing your handle.
I just read your bio here at BIN, and clearly I’m not even talking to a fellow Christian. Thus your opinion of the Rapture means exactly nothing.
Your comment is totally delusional and if you’re a Christian then I must be the Prime Minister of Great Britain.
HB;
You are certainly not a Christian, you are a member of Christendom. Babylon the Great, the world empire of false religion. You believe men and religion over the word of God. Proof positive that you’re not Christian. Christianity is NOT religion, it is, as Jesus called it, “the one true faith”.
It is a lie of men and religion, which originates with Satan.
Correct.
What these idiots NEVER stop to realise is that if you were to ask a Christian of the centuries before Nelson Darby’s time in the 19th century, about The Rapture, they would consider you unhinged and labelled a blasphemer.
yes2truth
Correct.
What these idiots NEVER stop to realise is that if you were to ask a Christian of the centuries before Nelson Darby’s time in the 19th century, about The Rapture, they would consider you unhinged and labelled a blasphemer.
Revelation does tell us that these things would happen in the end times, and we are pretty close to the end of that period. It talks about false teachers, false prophets, many antichrist, critical times hard to deal with, and on and on. None of this comes as a surprise, but every time I read a post from someone clinging to false religion, and defending their weird and skewed beliefs, it still befuddles me why anyone could hold to such beliefs. They simply make no sense, especially when we have the answers in any Bible. Well, not any Bible, but it is available to everyone. Almost no one posting here has the first clue. When you try to show them what a particular scripture or principle means, then you are attacked mercilessly. They behave in exactly the opposite way that Jesus’ example of behavior teaches us. A lot of them are actually funny, but still pretty sad.
YES2TRUTH;
They are NEVER going to realize any truth of the scriptures, as they rely on men and religion to tell them what to believe, they don’t study and scrutinize God’s word to discern it’s true meanings. They don’t posess the honest heart that Jesus mentioned when God looks into everyone’s heart, every day, all day. Without the honest heart, God doesn’t use holy spirit to open up understanding of the scriptures to them. With that honest heart, God DOES use holy spirit to help them understand. It’s quite easy to see the difference in people, as to whether or not they have that honest heart. Just read their posts, or have a short conversation about God with them. It’s PLAIN AS DAY.
John 9:41New American Standard Bible (NASB)
41 Jesus said to them, “If you were blind, you would have no sin; but since you say, ‘We see,’ your sin remains.
If you were blind could mean blind to false teachings of the word of God therefore you would have no sin.
But if one says they see thinking they have correct beliefs but those beliefs are actually false doctrine then they are sinful.
144 thousand, from the tribes of Israel. That is certainly not the JW’s. BTW, it does say a great multitude, of ALL NATIONS, and KINDREDS, and PEOPLE, and TONGUES. Where is the word “Christian”??????? Perhaps John of Patamos saw something that most people don’t realize (maybe?)(Perhaps?).
Myself, I worry not about what will or will not occur. I am ever watchful. And why should I worry? So when will it be? Too many nitwits have said this day or that day, and ALL have been WRONG. And ALL will continue to be WRONG, so long as they try to figure it out. “No MAN knoweth.” So get over it. Live, and try to enjoy life, as that is the greatest thing that can be done, so sayeth the “Preacher”. Ah, there is nothing better under the Sun, to do.
Who is the 144 thousand. It matters only to the Jews, and is of no business to the rest of the world.
metalraven,
There are 12,000 from each tribe and each tribe is a different people; Joseph was married to an Egyptian women and had two sons. Joseph’s father Jacob blessed the two sons, one he said would become a Company of NATIONS -plural- and the other a Great Nation. AND according to the promises to Abraham that Jacob passed to these two sons of Joseph they are to become as many as the stars in the heaven and the sand of shore. Plus Joseph was given the birthright promise – land-
So -the Jews are a company of nations and a great nation, little tiny Israel with 6 or 7 million folks? Not so much?
The 12 tribes have not been sharing a home land, for over 2800 years. Only the tribes of Benjamin and the tribe of Judah(the JEWS) are represented in the LAND of ISRAEL….The other ten tribes have been dispersed, and inhabit most of Europe, and the countries of Canada and the U.S…..most don’t even know their heritage.
Max jones
that is true and Jesus Christ states even the hairs of our head are numbered.
If God knows the number of hairs we have why do folks think God the Father has lost tract of 10 out of 12 tribes of HIS Chosen people???
that has always puzzled me.
To ALL:
One of the main problems I have with a rapture is why can’t God the Father and His Son Jesus Christ protect their Chosen ones here on earth? Why must He take them off the earth, is that the only way He can protect them?
In the days of Noah God had Noah build a ship, Noah got in the ship and all the earth then died. Noah lived.
In the days of Lot, two angels grabbed Lot and his two daughters and dragged them out of town and two cities were nuked level. lot lived.
Meschech etc were cast into a furnace, those that cast them in died —the three just walked around in the fire and then walked out alive.
Paul was in prison and an angel let Him out.
Herod was going to kill Christ when He was just a baby, God gave his father and mother money and sent them out of the country.
Christ should have been stoned many times but He just walked away.
So now in these end times God has lost His power??? He can’t even protect His own Saints here on earth????
Has God lost His Power? Really?? Do you think He can still give you eternal life? or has He lost that as well.
The 5th Seal is the Great Tribulation and also is the Time of Jacob’s Trouble and also begins the times of the Gentiles.
This is the time of trouble that is so great and horrible that there has not been another like it no nor shall ever be,
The Great Tribulation is the wrath of Satan on the whole house of Jacob, all 12 tribes thus Jacob’s Trouble and this time is preceded by World War Three involving 25% of the earth and 100′s of millions are to die: the 4th Seal.
So is a per-tribulation rapture going to happen during W W 3 because God has lost His ability to protect His own?
Has God lost so much power He can’t even protect His people from Satan during Satan’s wrath, the 5th Seal?
The 6th and 7th Seals are God’s Wrath on the Gentiles — not His Saints.
And then we come to the 7th Seal which is the DAY of the LORD and the Wrath of God upon the gentiles, you mean God can’t even protect His own Chosen ones from His own wrath???? Really??? God needs a post tribulation rapture???
Belief in a rapture is an admission by that believer that God does not have the power to protect Him any longer.
What blasphemy!
TS…beautiful.
Hear, hear!
TS is burning multiple straw men in his hatred and misunderstanding of pre-trib. But that’s a popular sport around here.
TS hates – but understands the source of the false pre-trib, a True statement as I hate the lies of Satan.
Christ and the Apostles talk of the Resurrections “only” and Satan counterfeited every thing including the First Resurrection.
Satan changed the Sabbath to sunday
Satan changed the Passover to easter
Satan changed the resurrection to the rapture.
Satan changed the Holy Feasts of God to xmas, all saints day, new years eve, easter
Satan changed the Holy Law of God from righteousness into harshness and a heavy yoke.
Satan changed the Head of the Body of Christ from Christ to a succession of men
Satan changed God the Father into a succession of physical carnal human old men, many of whom were pedophiles or worse.
Satan has counterfeited the Church of God and the world has shouted for joy.
No! I do not misunderstand the work of Satan the devil.
HB;
There is no rapture. Why not research it for yourself, without the skewing filter of other men and religion? Study the word of God only and check for yourself. Do not rely on your own understanding either. Rely on the scriptures ONLY.
Believing in the Space Time theory of Einstein helped me understand the Bible.
People will be removed from earth at the very last moment before the great nuclear freeze happens. That is the point beyond which no life can survive. The great earthquake could be the freezing of the oceans.
Then as a thousand years is a day to the Lord, they just travel forward in earth time to the point that earth has thawed and the nuclear fallout has no effect. This is the new earth and new heavens clear of nuclear fallout. Their technology is far more advanced than ours. People deemed worthy to continue the life form called mankind start over.
insight 777
God created the earth in a garden of Eden condition, Satan and man destroyed that perfect condition.
When Christ comes to earth as King of the government of God the earth, over time, is restored to a Garden of Eden condition.
at the end of 1100 years, there will be no more human flesh and blood, all of the 100 billion + – born from Adam will either be burned to ashes in the Lake of Fire or born again into Immortal Spirit in the very image of God the Father and His Son. A small number will be cast into the Lake of Fire.
God then cleanses the whole earth with fire, removing all traces of sinful man, and sets up His HOLY SPIRITUAL city New Jerusalem.
Many think there is an eternal purpose for this weak physical temporary body – not so!
Truthseeker;
The scriptures say that God WILL protect his people on Earth. There is no rapture. They all confuse the taking of the remnant of the Annointed to heaven as a rapture. They don’t believe the scriptures, but choose instead to believe idiot men, and false religion.
Mikesavage
I can not find one scripture saying any go to heaven except Jesus Christ who came from heaven. Jesus Christ is GOD in the flesh.
The reward which Christ is bringing with Him is positions of authority in the Government of God, the Saints of God will be Kings and Priests.
No resurrected Saints of God are needed in Heaven, God the Father has it all staffed and completely under control, all the problems are here on earth that is why He is sending His Son Jesus Christ and the kings that are to rule under Him.
The 144,000 are in heaven and Abraham, Issac , Jacob, David, Isaiah and the other men of God are on earth??? Really??
Truthseeker;
YOU POSTED:
Mikesavage
I can not find one scripture saying any go to heaven except Jesus Christ who came from heaven. Jesus Christ is GOD in the flesh.
THEN YOU DIDN’T LOOK. REVELATION TO JOHN IS PRETTY CLEAR ABOUT THE 144,000. THE ENTIRE CHRISTIAN GREEK SCRIPTURES ARE PRETTY CLEAR THAT JESUS IS GOD’S ONLY BEGOTTEN SON, NOT GOD IN THE FLESH. THAT COMES FROM MEN AND RELIGION, NOT FROM GOD.
The reward which Christ is bringing with Him is positions of authority in the Government of God, the Saints of God will be Kings and Priests.
YOU AGAIN MISUNDERSTAND BECAUSE YOU RELY ON MEN AND RELIGION, NOT THE WORD OF GOD.
No resurrected Saints of God are needed in Heaven, God the Father has it all staffed and completely under control, all the problems are here on earth that is why He is sending His Son Jesus Christ and the kings that are to rule under Him.
JESUS WILL CONTINUE TO RULE EARTH, FROM HEAVEN FOR A THOUSAND YEARS. REVELATION TO JOHN IS VERY CLEAR ON THIS.
The 144,000 are in heaven and Abraham, Issac , Jacob, David, Isaiah and the other men of God are on earth??? Really??
IF THEY’RE NOT OF THE ANNOINTED, THEN THEY WILL BE RESURRECTED TO EARTH. MOST OF THEM ARE NOT OF THE ANNOINTED.
mikesavage
The simple FACT that you are an ANTICHRIST and admittedly so, prevents anyone from helping you break free from Satan.
It seems Satan has perverted you to a great degree, I will pray for you.
Truthseeker;
YOUR POST:
mikesavage
The simple FACT that you are an ANTICHRIST and admittedly so, prevents anyone from helping you break free from Satan.
SORRY TRUTHSEEKER, I AM MOST CERTAINLY NOT ANTICHRIST, AS JESUS IS THE HEAD OF THE CHRISTIAN CONGREGATION, AND THE HEAD OF EACH FAMILY. SATAN IS NOT A PROBLEM, AS REBUKING HIM SENDS HIM AWAY EVERY TIME. YOU WOULDN’T KNOW THAT, AS YOU DON’T KNOW THE SCRIPTURES, AND THE ONES YOU PICK AND CHOOSE, YOU DON’T KNOW THEIR MEANING AT ALL. YOU ARE A VERY SAD CASE. YOU SERVE RELIGION AND SATAN, AND REJECT GOD THE ALMIGHTY EVERY TIME.
It seems Satan has perverted you to a great degree, I will pray for you.
YOUR PRAYERS ARE NOT HEARD BY GOD. IF YOU WERE TO ACTUALLY DO THE WILL OF GOD, WHICH YOU CLEARLY DON’T, THEN GOD WOULD HEAR YOUR PRAYERS.
MikeSavage can’t even be honest about his own name… sometimes he’s emery sometimes he’s savage… how can you trust such a man to be honest about anything?
You can’t.
Mikesavage
If you are an example of a so called christian,, I pass! have a nice day
Truthseeker;
YOUR POST:
Mikesavage
If you are an example of a so called christian,, I pass! have a nice day
NOT TO WORRY, WE ALL KNOW YOU ARE DEFINATELY NOT A CHRISTIAN, BUT YOU ARE OF CHRISTENDOM. RELIGION. THE WORLD. GALATIONS 5:19-21 STATES THAT DIVISIONS/SECTS/DENOMINATIONS/DISSENTIONS ARE INCLUDED IN WORKS OF THE FLESH, AND ANYONE ENGAGING IN SUCH WORKS WILL NOT INHERIT THE KINGDOM OF THE HEAVENS. YOU MADE YOUR CHOICE, AND NOW YOU MAKE IT PUBLIC KNOWLEDGE. YOU MAY JUST AS WELL PUBLICLY WORSHIP SATAN. YOU REJECT ANY MENTION OF THE TRUTH OF ANY SCRIPTURE AND CLING TO YOUR FALSE UNDERSTANDING OF IT. IT IS YOUR FATHER, SATAN, OBSCURING THE TRUTH TO YOU. TURNING YOUR BACK ON GOD, AS YOU HAVE DONE, IS BY DEFAULT, CHOOSING SATAN, AS THE SCRIPTURES CLEARLY TEACH US. YOU HAVE A LOT OF COMPANY, AS CLOSE TO THE ENTIRE POPULATION OF THE EARTH WILL BE DESTROYED AND CLEARED OFF OF THE SURFACE OF THE EARTH, YOU INCLUDED. YOU STILL DO HAVE A LITTLE TIME TO CHANGE THAT HOWEVER, BUT I AM NOT HOLDING MY BREATH. YOU EMBRACE SATAN AND SATANIC TEACHINGS WITH TOO MUCH FERVER.
I read a story of a man in the desert that owned a herd of horses and wanted to find out which was the best of all he owned. He penned them in the hot sun within sight of a river. For days the horses were not allowed to drink. Then the owner rode halfway to the river and gave the signal to release the horses. They ran with the greatest speed toward the river near death from thirst. At the halfway point the owner shouted HALT! Most of the horses kept running but a few, very few, stopped. Those are how I see the 144,000. They are selected because regardless of the conditions or tribulation they will obey the Master that calls for them.
Nasty man. Cruelty to horses.
II Thessalonians 2:7 is talking about the followers of Antichrist that as time goes on will let THE Antichrist rise to world power until the Lord destroys him. The iniquity of the antichrist was founded in the past and is carried into the present. The people that hate Christ let this happen.
ALL RELIGIONS ARE FALSE AND SHOULD BE DESTROYED! WE ARE NOT IN THE END TIMES! THERE IS NOT GOING TO BE A RAPTURE! GOD OR JESUS IS NOT GOING TO SAVE ANYONE! THERE IS NO SATAN OR ANTICHRIST! THERE IS NO GOOD OR BAD! EVERYBODY GOES TO HEAVEN! DO AS YOU WILL, WITHOUT ANY FEAR OF ANY JUDGEMENT! THIS IS THE TRUTH! HANDLE IT!
Wow..
satan himself is speaking finally.
No, when he said all religions are false, he is actually stating what the scriptures say about religions. The Bible says ALL religion is false. God said that, not Satan.
anything that refers to external salvation by an ET, Jesus, God, Krishna or any other man made BS is disinformation.
The annointed 144,000 are the only ones to ever go to heaven, and they will fight Armageddon with Jesus, and will co-rule Earth from the Kingdom of the heavens with Jesus, during “judgement day” which is the 1000 year period post Armageddon. They are not from physical Israel, but from spiritual Israel, which includes all nations, languages, and tongues. There is no rapture. Please, if you’re going to write articles about these things, try to be accurate, because this article is only partially accurate. Most of the comments herein are completely inaccurate. That’s because they all are influenced by religion, all of which is false as per the scriptures.
mikesavaage
There are many on BIN who have no clue, but you have things so twisted I hope no one – not one listens to your doctrine.
You are an antichrist when you state Jesus Christ was not God in the flesh and the statement that the 1000 year reign of Jesus Christ here on earth as King of kings is judgment day????????????
I have nothing twisted. The scriptures say what they say. Claiming they are twisted, or claiming they mean something other than their intended meaning will get you nothing that you want.
Truthseeker;
YOUR POST:
mikesavaage
There are many on BIN who have no clue, but you have things so twisted I hope no one – not one listens to your doctrine.
FIRST OF ALL, IT’S NOT MY DOCTRINE, IT BELONGS TO GOD THE ALMIGHTY, AND MANY DO LISTEN. MANY HAVE ACTUALLY DONE WHAT YOU FAIL TO DO EVERY TIME. THEY HAVE INVESTIGATED WHAT I’VE POSTED AS TO WHETHER IT’S TRUE OR NOT. YOU ARE NOT HUMBLE ENOUGH TO DO THAT.
You are an antichrist when you state Jesus Christ was not God in the flesh and the statement that the 1000 year reign of Jesus Christ here on earth as King of kings is judgment day????????????
NO WHERE IN THE SCRIPTURES, I REPEAT NO WHERE IN THE SCRIPTURES, DOES IT SAY THAT JESUS, THE SON OF GOD, THE ONLY BEGOTTEN SON OF GOD, THE FIRSTBORN OF ALL CREATION, GOD’S FIRST CREATION, IS GOD IN THE FLESH. IN FACT, HUNDREDS OF TIMES IT DESCRIBES JESUS AS ANYTHING BUT GOD IN THE FLESH. IT IS YOU WHO MISUNDERSTAND THE CLEAR TEACHINGS OF THE WORD OF GOD. AND REVELATION TO JOHN CLEARLY SAYS THAT JUDGEMENT DAY IS THE 1000 YEARS AFTER THE FINAL BATTLE, WHEN ALL WHO DIED, EXCEPT THOSE DESTROYED AS A JUDGEMENT SUCH AS THE FLOOD AND ARMAGEDDON, WILL BE RESURRECTED AND TAUGHT GOD’S NEW SCROLLS. IF THEY LEARN THEM AND COMPLY WITH THEM, THEY WILL LIVE FOREVER IN A PARADISE EARTH. YOU STILL HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO RECEIVE THAT GIFT, BUT TIME IS RUNNING OUT PRETTY QUICKLY. YOU’VE GOT A LOT OF WORK TO DO TO RECEIVE IT.
Sorry Mike, no one is going to heaven. Yashua Messiah is coming down OUT OF HEAVEN to rule this earth for 1,000 years – He’s coming to take King David’s throne here on the earth.
After that The Father is coming down OUT OF HEAVEN with a new heaven (atmosphere) and a new earth.
If the 144,000 are going to heaven they’ll be the only ones there.
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mikesavage
What Yes2truth just stated above IS — TRUTH.
Have you ever read “the meek shall inherit the earth”?
I have never found a similar scripture that says any one is ever going to heaven. If the 144,000 are going to heaven does that infer they are not meek??
The “gift” of eternal life is what all seek: the rewards for our works is the position we are given in the government of God which is the Family of God.
Remember the 12 Apostles are each to be a king over one of the tribes of Israel and David is King of all Israel. Those are the kinds of positions given by God as our reward. These are the “mansions” Christ is preparing for us which He will bring with Him at His return.
The main problem we’ve had talking to one another here on this post, is a misunderstanding of spirituality and the “spiritual state”. Most of all the ‘big long posts are coming from a viewpoint that never rises above this Earthly realm. It’s a common condition. Spirituality on this plane can only be “observed”. To ‘understand’, requires a spiritual state, be achieved. Keeping this knowledge available on this plane, requires continual maintenance of this “spiritual state”.
This is what makes prayer more effective for some folks.
I, long ago, realized, trying to talk about spiritual ideas on intellectual levels is impossible. This is the basic reason I was drawn to making music. It allows emotional expression, that just won’t fit into intellectual reasoning. Real emotional commitment, Is actually very threatening to the uninitiated, and brings an unpredictable response….this invariably brings conflict where opinions differ.
Max,
That is a most beautiful interpretation. I must agree with you in sparkling high notes.
Crowpie…..Sing it to me, baby…..I will hear.
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@ Max
The main problem here is people CLAIMING to be Christians or followers of Yashua Messiah when they are followers of SOMETHING ELSE, whether it be Moses i.e. Judaism, themselves with their error filled egos or some cult or splinter of The Cainite-Judeo-Christian Religion.
All is vanity.
Truthseeker:
I have never found a similar scripture that says any one is ever going to heaven. If the 144,000 are going to heaven does that infer they are not meek??
CERTAINLY NOT. THEY ARE THE FIRSTFRUITS, THE ADOPTED SONS OF GOD.
The “gift” of eternal life is what all seek: the rewards for our works is the position we are given in the government of God which is the Family of God.
THE ANNOINTED ARE THE 144,000.
Remember the 12 Apostles are each to be a king over one of the tribes of Israel and David is King of all Israel. Those are the kinds of positions given by God as our reward. These are the “mansions” Christ is preparing for us which He will bring with Him at His return.
IF YOU’VE NEVER SEEN A SCRIPTURE THAT SAYS THE 144,000 GO TO HEAVEN, THEN YOU HAVEN’T SPENT ANY TIME STUDYING AN ACCURATE TRANSLATION OF THE SCRIPTURES.
BASED ON YOUR “MANSIONS”, I ASSUME THAT YOU ARE MORMON. THERE ARE NO MANSIONS, SORRY, THAT’S NOT SCRIPTURAL, AND IS NOT FROM GOD. IT IS FALSE TEACHING. AS I POSTED EARLIER, TRY STUDYING AN ACCURATE TRANSLATION, AND DO SO WITHOUT THE FILTER OF RELIGION. MANY THINGS WILL BECOME CLEARER BY DOING SO. STUDYING A TRANSLATION THAT IS INFLUENCED BY RELIGION WILL TEACH YOU NOTHING TRUE. ALMOST ALL TRANSLATIONS ARE THAT WAY. YOUNG’S LITERAL TRANSLATION IS A GOOD PLACE TO START.
Instead of shouting your nonsense in all caps, why don’t you just show us chapter and verse where it says the 144,000 are going to heaven.
Truthseeker correctly points out that Yashua Messiah said the meek shall INHERIT THE EARTH, NOT INHERIT HEAVEN.
yES2TRUTH;
sTUDY Revelation to John very carefully. You will see that the annointed go to heaven to co-rule Earth with Jesus, from Heaven.
Show me chapter and verse where it says we are going to rule from heaven.
yes2truth
Show me chapter and verse where it says we are going to rule from heaven.
I SAID THE ANNOINTED 144,000 WILL RULE FROM HEAVEN, NOT US. IT IS THE ANNOINTED AND THE ASSOCIATES OF THE ANNOINTED WHO ARE GOD’S PEOPLE ON EARTH. NONE OF THEM ARE PART OF ANY RELIGION. THE ANNOINTED ARE THE SMALL FLOCK AND THE GREAT CROWD ARE THOSE WHO ASSOCIATE WITH THE ANNOINTED. ONLY ABOUT 6,000 OF THE ANNOINTED ARE STILL ALIVE ON EARTH NOW, THE REST HAVE DIED AND AS REVELATION SAYS, THEY ARE ALREADY IN HEAVEN.
SORRY, I WON’T GIVE YOU CHAPTER AND VERSE, BUT IT’S IN REVELATION TO JOHN. NOT A LONG BOOK, BUT YOU MUST STUDY IT, AND COMPARE SCRIPTURES TO UNDERSTAND, PLUS HAVE GOD USE HOLY SPIRIT TO OPEN UP UNDERSTANDING TO YOU. GOD’S WORDS, NOT MINE.
You’re wrong Mike – no one is going to heaven – PERIOD!!!!!
OK, so you won’t quote chapter and verse, so I will:
Luke 1:32 (KJV) He shall be great, and shall be called The Son of The Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto Him The Throne of His father David:
Yashua Messiah is coming DOWN FROM HEAVEN to the earth to take King David’s Throne.
Now all you have to do is work out who sits upon King David’s Throne today – and please note IT AIN’T IN HEAVEN.
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so many preachers parroting BS
how about adding value to your own existence and doing something creative