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Well done T.S.
Thank you Max,
I tried to make it clear and understandable, if any part was “fussy” let me know, please.
If the response is good I will post the other 4 parts, it is too long as one piece.
“If you are certain the RAPTURE is fact — DO NOT READ THIS!”
The ‘ole reverse psychology play eh TS?
Actually, you are to be congratulated TS for addressing this matter and setting the record straight as to the false teaching of a pre-trib rapture, bravo well done.
While I admit I haven’t read all your articles TS, this one is well worth the price of admission and I’m not all the way through it yet. And anything I say in disagreement with some of the things you have written in this article are but tangential and not part of the main thrust of the article, of which I am in total agreement with.
TS said:
“Remember Christ’s own statement in verse 22 that no flesh would be saved alive if the time of the Tribulation were not cut short? “
I believe cutting the days short so as not to destroy all flesh is referencing God being restrained in His fury and wrath, which is unleashed with the woes.
TS said:
Matthew 24: 30 “And ‘then’ shall appear the SIGN of the Son of man in heaven:” ——–
Many imagine the Sign of the Son of Man that will appear in heaven to be a cross.
—————————————————————————————————
Well, a cross is universally recognized and I can easily imagine the nations of the earth weeping for He who died an excruciating death on the cross for us. In fact, regarding the house of David, it says this (emoticons mine):
“And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications: and they shall look upon me whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn for him, as one mourneth for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for his firstborn.”
—ZECH 12:10
TS said:
“We have just begun this analysis and already the rapture is in very serious doubt”
In very serious doubt? It was D.O.A.!
TS said:
“The Great Tribulation has now begun and the previously martyred Saints symbolically cry out from their graves, they which were killed are told to rest as they wait for the return of Jesus Christ.”
I would argue TS it is not the previously martyred Saints but the ones martyred upon earth during the 42 months of the Beast, these ones in white robes under the altar in REV 6:9-11 are the ones that come out the great tribulation:
13 And one of the elders answered, saying unto me, What are these which are arrayed in white robes? and whence came they?
14 And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.
—REV 7:13-14
am123
I do appreciate your kind words, thank you
On the points of disagreement we will just have to disagree, all that I have written conforms and joins together perfectly with all the other papers I have written.
I believe we shall very soon see if what I believe I was given from above is correct, time is very short.
am 123
I will comment on your thoughts regarding Rev 6 and 7
In Rev 7; 14 it clearly states “they” came out of great tribulation, these were in the tribulation and they are still alive. It says they came OUT of the tribulation not that they were martyred in the GT, and yes they will be with Christ but it does not say when.
In Rev 6:9 John says when the 5th Seal IS opened he then saw those that WERE slain. these under the alter were slain before the 5th Seal.
I have found every single word must be read, studied and correctly understood, reading fast will not produce the truth.
One other thing I just came to see, almost 50 years ago I read Daniel 12: 11 and read it as the 1260 days of the time of the end plus 30 days – 1290. Just last week I read it again but I read it with out the previous picture in my mind.
Here it is;
“And from the time of the daily sacrifice shall be taken away –
and the abomination that makes desolate set up
there shall be 1290 days
the 1290 days is from the time the sacrifice is stopped — until — the set up of the abomination.
How do you read this?
TS said:
“It says they came OUT of the tribulation not that they were martyred in the GT”
I’m not sure how a saint comes of out the GT without being martyred. Do they just die of natural causes? I think it makes more sense that they came about because they refused to reject Jesus and instead rejected the Beast and so were killed for that.
Regarding the timing of events in chapter 12 of Daniel, that is an interesting question. I’m not sure when those extra days in verse 11 come into play. Are they before or after the 1260 days? Verse 7 tells us this:
“Then I heard the man clothed in linen, who was above the waters of the river, when he held up his right hand and his left hand to heaven, and swore by Him who lives forever, that it shall be for a time, times, and half a time; and when the power of the holy people has been completely shattered, all these things shall be finished.”
—DAN 12:7
So I’m sure this 3 ½ years or 1260 days coincides with the 1260 days of the Beast and the 2 witnesses. It is interesting to consider just when are those 1260 days completed. Here is my take on that:
DAN 12:7 tells us that it will be 1260 days when the power of the holy people has been completely shattered and all the things Daniel spoke of shall be finished. I believe this 1260 period ends or completes with the death of the 2 witnesses. Their power is shattered at that point when they are killed (before that they wrought much death and destruction and torment). It is right at that point I believe that the 1260 days are over because you can stick a fork in the Beast at that time because he will be done. CHP 7 of DAN says this:
21 I beheld, and the same horn made war with the saints, and prevailed against them;
22 Until the Ancient of days came, and judgment was given to the saints of the most High; and the time came that the saints possessed the kingdom.
—DAN 7:21-22
The Beast prevails against the saints UNTIL the Ancient of days comes. So it is right at the point of the death of the 2 witnesses that the Ancient of days comes to resurrect the 2 witnesses, which is the completion of the 2nd woe, and the 3rd woe comes imminently thereafter when the Beast is destroyed at the Second Coming.
So I believe the 1260 days ends at the death of the 2 witnesses. I am not sure where the extra days in DAN 12:11 come into play, before or after the 1260 days. Or do they overlap at some point?
Regarding:
“the 1290 days is from the time the sacrifice is stopped — until — the set up of the abomination.”
I can see where you can interpret this as being 1290 days from the time the daily sacrifice is stopped until the abomination. That might be the case, but I’m not sure.
am 123
It would require a few pages to relate this properly and to include the back up scriptures, so I am just going to spell out what I have proven to myself to be true.
30 days before the 4th and last 7 years of punishment found in Leviticus 26 begins the daily sacrifice is stopped. I do not know when it starts only when stops.
The 7 years of punishment begins and the first 4 Seals culminate and they culminate in the first 3 1/2 years which is 1260 days. So 30 plus 1260 is the 1290 days.
The 4 Seals bring us the Beast and the False prophet, famine and disease and world war three
At the end of 1260 day ( first 3 1/2 years of the 7 yrs) begins the 5th Seal, and the 5th Seal starts with the abomination of desolation. World war 3 will have ended during the first 1260 days.
At the 5th Seal all the nations of Israel are taken into captivity by the Assyrians and shipped around the world. The 144,000 and the great multitude are from the 1/3 of the nations of Israel that have lived through the first 3 1/2 years. See Eze, chapter 5 & 6.
The second half (3 1/2 yrs) of the 7 years of punishment is what is called the End Times.
the end times is the 5th, 6th and 7th seal lasting 3 1/2 years.
At the end of the 7th Seal Christ returns (last trump) and the First resurrection occurs. (the 144,000 are in the First resurrection as they have become First fruits i.e. Saints of God.)
after Christ returns the Great Multitude begins the 2nd Exodus to Jerusalem.
This is the remnant (10%) of the nations of Israel and many other tribes and people mix in returning to the Promised Land as promised to Abraham.
The 144,000 and the great multitude are what is left alive from the 1/3 of the nations of Israel that were taken into captivity,
Here are scriptures talking about this 2nd Exodus:
Isa 11: 11 -16;; 35: 1 -10;; 27: 13
Jer 16: 14, 15;; 31: 6- 9
I believe the 75 days begin at the end of the 1260 days of the end times and is the time it takes to perform the 2nd exodus.
this may not make much sense to you but it can be tie in with all scripture.
I have papers that explain the above in detail, it is long.
Thanks for the explanation TS. I will have to take a closer look at some of these things. I tie the 3 woes in with trumpets 5, 6, and 7. How do you relate the seals and trumpets?
am 123
This is how I see it.
The Seven Trumpets of the 7th Seal are the Wrath of God poured out upon the Gentiles
Seven Trumpets: Seven measures of GOD’s Wrath ends in the First Resurrection and the Return of CHRIST.
First 4 Trumpets injure the earth, seas, trees and rivers
Fifth Trumpet is the First Woe
Sixth Trumpet the 4 angels are loosed to kill 1/3 of men and is the 2nd woe
the “Seven Thunders” “write them not” is between the 2nd and 3rd Woe
Seventh Trumpet is “the Last Trump” (7 is Spiritual Perfection) The 7th Trump announces the Return of CHRIST
The 7th Trumpet is The third Woe and contains the 7 Last Plagues or the 7 last plagues are the 3rd woe, not positive on this one.
The Seventh Trumpet sounds and the 7 Last Plagues begin to be poured out; as the 7th and last Plague is poured out a great voice from heaven says: IT IS DONE!
Christ returns as The King of kings and meets the First Fruits in the clouds of the air [first heaven] this is the First Resurrection and the return of Jesus Christ. Christ returned to the Third Heaven FROM the Mound of Olives 40 days after His resurrection and will return as King of kings and Lord of lords the same exact way and again TO the Mound of Olives.
Jesus Christ takes the Beast and the False Prophet and cast them into the lake of fire and slays the armies of the Beast and the kings of the earth as they gather into a place called Armageddon. They are gathered to The Battle of that Great Day of God Almighty.
am123
I almost forgot, at services today a scripture was brought up I had over looked and I would like you to read it. See if it says the same thing to you that it does to me.
Matthew 10:
28 And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear HIM which is able to –destroy — both —soul and body in hell.
“destroy” is utterly destroy and hell is “Gehenna”
TS said:
“Sixth Trumpet the 4 angels are loosed to kill 1/3 of men and is the 2nd woe”
The 2nd woe doesn’t conclude until the resurrection of the 2 witnesses.
Regarding Matthew 10:28, the way I read it is that it is indeed utter destruction, which to me means this:
22 For as the new heavens and the new earth, which I will make, shall remain before me, saith the Lord, so shall your seed and your name remain.
23 And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the Lord.
24 And they shall go forth, and look upon the carcases of the men that have transgressed against me: for their worm shall not die, neither shall their fire be quenched; and they shall be an abhorring unto all flesh.
—Isaiah 66:22-24
Am123 is like a bad case of Herpes Simplex (yes, am123 is very “simple’ minded, as well),
“it”, am123 just keeps on popping up all over BIN!
For judeo-christianity is a “catchy” viral disease of the brain brought on by believing in the all-male LUNATIC Written “Book of Babble”!
Which the brain-washed from birth one, self-called am123 “cuts & pastes” from rally well here on BIN!
WOW, are you (NOT) smart, am123!!!!!!!!
Why don’t you move to isra-HELL???
Snuggle up there with your white-skinned mangod named “jesus”?????
Feel really “Holy” and all!
lord; small “L”, very very small L
Jesus Christ is not white skinned!
Jesus Christ is IMMORTAL SPIRIT and a Warrior King who’s continence is as the power of our sun multiplied millions of times.
When HE returns to earth He will bring with HIM a Sword with which He will put to death 100′s of millions – HIMSELF. Be careful, do not become HIS enemy.
“Why don’t you move to isra-HELL???”
Why should I move there when my home is the heavenly Jerusalem?
The New Jerusalem will come down out of heaven to earth when God comes to live with mankind. I can’t wait!
LOL. Rapture is an emotion. ecstasy, an internal high. You see something you love, you become enraptured by it. der
PIX
Do you honestly thinks what you write is funny or intellectual?? You are no more that an irritant.
“You are no more that an irritant.”
Pix is like a bad rash in an unmentionable spot that keeps coming back
Well, beauty is in the eye of the beholder, but at least what I say is true. Can’t say that about anything you claim, because I’ve yet to see an example.
am123
I’m pretty sure Truthseeker can fight his/her own bun fights. but seeing as you are feeling so left out…
At least I passed kindergarten maths 101 when at kindergarten, ie 1 + 0 = 1, not 2.
Random BS for random BS… you get an equal energy exchange with me.
PIX
I am a man’s man and am well able to fight my own battles. I am not a “girly man” by any means. And as you have found out I speak my mind not caring at all for your “feelings”.
Truthseeker.
Unlike the religiously indoctrinated sexists, I don’t give a single sh*t what gender you are. Lies are lies. Slander is slander.
Both Truthseeker and am123 prove they do not believe their own BS. If they did believe there was a wrathful creator god, they would not dare break it’s commandment of ‘thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbor”. What they are doing is very typical of indoctrinated brain damage called ‘cognitive dissonance’, where they lack any argument for truth, they slander to vilify.
What they are doing is role playing their ‘deity’ so they can do the judging instead, thus proving they do not believe their own BS. Their ‘cognitive dissonance’ rings through loud and clear every time they slander someone for disagreeing with their version of the dark age invented state enforced thought and belief intolerant dictatorship. They are blind to reality.
PIX
You have slandered GOD ALMIGHTY repeatedly and often, that fact alone explains to me just who it is I am communicating with.
I do judge what is sin using the Commandments of God and I do condemn sin when I see it.
You are lawless.
And, truthseeker,
YOU are a “religious crackpot” LUNATIC!
AmeriiiSCUM style!
A “believer’ in the white-skinned mangod!!!!
Hey, pompous arse hole, truthseeker, YOU do NOT SPEAK FOR god, you insane idiot!!
YOU do NOT “know” god, LUNATIC!
You, truthseeker, will soon be locked away in a FEMA Camp, for my safety!
Perhaps there will be a Dollar Bounty offered by the US Federal government to “Turn in the christian” for some ‘re-education”, where, the white-skinned man will be removed from “your” racist, sexist, and very violent “religion”!!!!
A bounty Paid on turned-in christians would really help to stimulate the economy!
And, think of all the jobs created to “institutionalize” you “turned-in-christians”, truthseeker!!!
You can’t slander something that doesn’t exist. You can’t slander Puff the Magic dragon or Harry Potter, or any unsubstantiated belief for the same reason, they are not real.
Regardless, you believe it, so you should obey it… if you are being truthful about your belief that is, which you just proven you are not. Your deity commands you to not judge, that’s it’s job, not yours. Calling someone “an irritant”, is you doing the judging. The fact that what I said is the absolute truth, rapture is an emotion, your comment makes you look exactly like the psychotic brain damaged twat you are.
PIX
I am growing bored, but will offer this last comment – telling you – you are an irritant to me is the truth and is not at all a condemnation or me judging you – simply a statement of fact.
Truthseeker
“You are lawless.”
Yes, very lawless according to your religion. I refuse to murder people for wearing mixed fabrics, for eating shell fish or pork, or getting a divorce.
My bet is that you are just as lawless for exactly the same reason. you are a nice person despite your brain damaged belief that murdering people for piffling rubbish, is just.
Truthseeker
“I am growing bored…”
Oh how terribly awful for you. You mean you don’t like having your nose rubbed in your own excrement?
I too am not scared of upsetting people, especially when they slander after judging for absolutely no reason what so ever. The truth is what it is and it makes no difference to the truth if you refuse to believe it. Go take your problem up with the Oxford Dictionary. and their publishing the actual definition of ‘rapture’.
lord of what? flies?
coming from you that is a complement. And believe me when I say I have no fear of you or any others.
This song is dedicated to one of the christo-CREEP leaders ON BIN, truthseeker!!!
Please sing the lyrics to the tune of
Puff, The magic Dragon, by Peter, Paul, and Mary.
truthseeker, the magic dragon
Puffed fire a lot
But no more than produced
By a regular human fart
He thought that he was special
Directly communicating with a mangod
He believed every bit of the FALSE Tale
And it affected his life a lot
He condemned everybody
Who did not follow his words
And that is why truthseeker
Is just a spiritual cowardly turd
Just wondering why you create a space for people to speak their minds and then you make up false personas to attack the people you don’t agree with….
Seems like odd behavior for a grown man. Odd indeed.
Know what I’m saying Chris?
WONDER ALERT!
WONDER ALERT!
ZERO SCUM, THE christian bum, is wondering, just like a christian does!
They know NOTHING, but, they do WONDER a lot!!!!
WONDER ON, zero scum, the christian attack dog BUM!!!!!!!
(from NJ, I bet!)
LOL people actually waste their time to vote on a comment ????? You have really hurt my feelings and I was so hoping you would like “me” LOL LOL
See this is where you can’t get your head out of the school playground. People don’t care about you one way or the other, any more than BiN viewers care about me. You are making it personal, about you because you think it’s all about you. It’s about your odiously arrogant claims of knowledge of the unknowable, all 13 of them on this article alone. But yes, you do induce quite a few
‘s. clown of BiN.
PIX — by by says the clown of BIN, I won’t take any more of your time I know you are a busy man or what ever.
Pix is such a pig-tailed school girl…. practically ends her mouthy retorts with “Nana Nana Poo Poo.. what you say bounces off me and sticks to yoouuuuu whoooooo!.”