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I don’t read 5 paragraphs in before an obvious LIE: “Jesus Christ commands His disciples (students) to prove all things: do you?”
This is PAUL’S commandment in 1 Thessalonians 5:21
JESUS CHRIST said
This is my commandment, That ye love one another, as I have loved you. {John 15:12}
37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
38 This is the first and great commandment.
39 And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
40 On these two commandments hang ALL the law and the prophets.
Matthew 22
For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven. {Matthew 5:18-19}
sharon,
Who do you suppose wrote the Bible? I attribute the entire Bible to Christ; the WORD,
Paul wrote as Christ inspired him. Yes Paul actually wrote it but for me it is a command from Christ. But you are right I should have give the proper credit.
To bad you did not read it all — this study proves the Law is in effect and can never be abolished
The Bible was cobbled together by evil men who persecuted the saints; Upon penalty of death one had to accept their choices. If the Roman Catholic Church was permitted by God to exist for centuries, why do you assume that lies do not also line those pages along side the truth? The spirit of antichrist (according to John) made appearance long before codifying the NT scriptures of the Bible.
I did however continue reading to the end and concluded quite simply that relying on Jesus’ own words sufficiently ends confusion (which only occurs by Paul’s fabrications, the REAL reason for 4000 interpretations):
“Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.” Matthew 5:17-18
Where is Paul’s 2nd or 3rd witness that ANYTHING except Messiah’s flesh was nailed to the cross?
FLESH ONLY according to Matthew, John and Jesus Christ!!! Impeccable testimony from 3 as opposed to that of a known murderer who made unsubstantiated claims.
Jesus himself PROPHESIED what he would do [which is why the spirit of antichrist is so vile denying that Christ came in the flesh] –
“I am the living bread which came down from heaven: if any man eat of this bread, he shall live for ever: and the bread that I will give is my FLESH, which I will give for the life of the world.” John 6:51
For my FLESH is meat indeed, and my BLOOD is drink indeed. {John 6:55}
“The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the SIN of the world.” John 1:29 SIN…NOT LEGAL DOCUMENT INSCRIBED WITH DEBT
“And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our SINS in his own BLOOD,” Revelation 1:5
“But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the BLOOD of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all SIN.” 1 John 1:7
I agree the blood cleanse us from sin, that is where the confusion begins. is it by abolishing the Law or by paying our debt by Christ’s dying in our place for transgressing the Law ?
Does the blood abolish the Law or the debt? What ever God does is Legal according to Law.
Christ took our legal debt and paid it with His life, the LAW stands, It must be obeyed to day it can never be abolished. Paul agrees.
Paul is not confused. His words are very deep and are hard to understand,
Correct, Paul is not confused…which is why he MOCKS YOU and all of his converts “But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the SIMPLICITY that is in Christ.” 2 Corinthians 11:3
You wrote “His words are very deep and are hard to understand”…on purpose I would add!
I’m guessing the Israelites were not so tormented about HOW the blood of animal sacrifices made them right with God, only grateful for a clean slate in the coming year.
If you Truthseeker stood in front of an earthly judge rightly accused of speeding and he waived the penalty & expunged your record, saying ‘just watch that lead foot in the future’…would you question how he did that? Obviously the Law is still intact, but the judge has the power and authority to be merciful.
Paul’s words are not necessary: If you want legal reasons look into the kinsman redeemer (book of Ruth particularly) which REQUIRED that Jesus Christ come in the same flesh as those redeemed and offer sufficient payment — blood and flesh — to recompense the trespass:
“For I know that my REDEEMER liveth, and that he shall stand at the latter day upon the earth:” Job 19:25
But if the man have no KINSMAN to recompense the TRESPASS unto, let the trespass be recompensed unto the Lord, even to the priest; beside the ram of the atonement, whereby an atonement shall be made for him. {Numbers 5:8}
And if his father have no brethren, then ye shall give his inheritance unto his KINSMAN that is next to him of his family, and he shall possess it: and it shall be unto the children of Israel a statute of judgment, as the Lord commanded Moses. {Numbers 27:11}
sharonjorgen,
said
“If you Truthseeker stood in front of an earthly judge rightly accused of speeding and he waived the penalty & expunged your record, saying ‘just watch that lead foot in the future’…would you question how he did that? Obviously the Law is still intact, but the judge has the power and authority to be merciful.”
With the statement made above, you are proving to me you do not understand the law.
If the Judge waived the penalty — we have no need for the sacrifice of Jesus Christ.-
The waving of a penalty does not require a sacrifice. A sacrifice pays the penalty for us.
If the Judge forgave the penalty — no payment is required — No sacrifice is needed.
Your example is incorrect.
Our Kinsman Redeemer paid the price…It’s simple and LEGAL. And then he asks us to extend forgiveness to our fellow man:
21 Then came Peter to him, and said, Lord, how oft shall my brother sin against me, and I forgive him? till seven times?
22 Jesus saith unto him, I say not unto thee, Until seven times: but, Until seventy times seven.
23 Therefore is the kingdom of heaven likened unto a certain king, which would take account of his servants.
24 And when he had begun to reckon, one was brought unto him, which owed him ten thousand talents.
25 But forasmuch as he had not to pay, his lord commanded him to be sold, and his wife, and children, and all that he had, and payment to be made.
26 The servant therefore fell down, and worshipped him, saying, Lord, have patience with me, and I will pay thee all.
27 Then the lord of that servant was moved with compassion, and loosed him, and forgave him the debt.
28 But the same servant went out, and found one of his fellowservants, which owed him an hundred pence: and he laid hands on him, and took him by the throat, saying, Pay me that thou owest.
29 And his fellowservant fell down at his feet, and besought him, saying, Have patience with me, and I will pay thee all.
30 And he would not: but went and cast him into prison, till he should pay the debt.
31 So when his fellowservants saw what was done, they were very sorry, and came and told unto their lord all that was done.
32 Then his lord, after that he had called him, said unto him, O thou wicked servant, I forgave thee all that debt, because thou desiredst me:
33 Shouldest not thou also have had compassion on thy fellowservant, even as I had pity on thee?
34 And his lord was wroth, and delivered him to the tormentors, till he should pay all that was due unto him.
35 So likewise shall my heavenly Father do also unto you, if ye from your hearts forgive not every one his brother their trespasses.
Matthew 18
@ LiesSeeker the Explaining Away King and SharonThePharisee
Matthew 15:14 (KJV) Let them alone: they be blind leaders of the blind. And if the blind lead the blind, both shall fall into the ditch.
Yes, very much Alive, Yes, extremly important. Rules & bounderies are essential. God’s way.
All commandments are Alive & Powerful, sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul & spirit, and of the joints & marrow, and are a critic of the thoughts & intents of the heart of man & woman.
Great write Truthseeker!! Appriciated.
And a third one for the ditch!!
Jude 4
4 “For there are certain men crept in unawares who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men turning the GRACE (Kindness) of our God into LASCIVIOUSNESS and denying the only Lord God and our Lord Jesus Christ”.
Jude in this scripture makes the accusation that certain men, evil men selected long ago, have and will crepe into the Church of God and turn the grace or kindness of God into
Lasciviousness (vice, filthiness, wantonness) otherwise known as SIN;
Did you get that? Turning grace into sin and will earn for themselves’ the verdict of death.
How do you turn GRACE in to SIN, —— by teaching the Law is abolished!
THEY say::: You are forgiven and now are UNDER GRACE ONLY, FREED from the evil LAW because God took it away to free us. We are free to do as we please –they say!
NOW no matter what you do it is not SIN! They say it is now impossible to sin no matter what you do or what you say,
Paul in Galatians 5: 19 list lasciviousness as one of the works of the flesh i.e. SIN.
The list includes: adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, idolatry —.
And in verse 21 makes the point as a warning to the Saints: those that do such things shall not inherit the Kingdom of God.
Jesus Christ removed our verdict – our condemnation to death by taking our sins upon Himself dying in our place. He did not void the law, He received in His body our penalty of death for our transgressions of God’s Holy Law. Christ removed our condemnation and not the LAW.
LASCIVIOUSNESS is what you teach,
The following are words John the Apostle written years after the death and resurrection.
1 John 2: 3 “And hereby we do know that we know Him if we keep His Commandments”
4, “He that saith ‘I know Him and keepeth not His commandments is a liar and the truth is not in him.”
This is a very strong perfectly clear and blunt statement: he that claims to “know the Lord” and does not obey the 10 Commandments is a LIAR and the truth is not in him. Is John a liar? The only Commandments John knew were the ones in the Old Testament; at the time this letter was written there was no New Testament. And yet many still reject the Holy Law of God refusing to live and abide by the Perfect Law but in the same breath claim “they know the Lord”. Christ and John call such LIARS.
KJV- Matthew 5; 18, 19 “For verily I say unto you Till heaven and earth pass one jot or one tittles shall in no wise pass from the Law till all be fulfilled.”
NIV- 18 “ For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished.”
In verse 18 above, for added emphasis Christ makes the statement; the Law is not going any where.
19 “Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least Commandments and shall teach men so; he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven”
NIV 19 “Therefore anyone who sets aside one of the least of these commands and teaches others accordingly will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven.”
Verse 19 is a huge quandary for me, how can any rational and sane person read these words of Jesus Christ and believe there is any possibility Christ voided or did away or nailed the 10 Commandments to His Stake? How can this be read and not understood? Sorry, logically this is beyond perfectly clear, what more do you need?
How can folks scream and yell claiming we must repent of keeping the Law of God? Have they become so blinded to God’s truth that they will teach against the law, verse 19 is talking about the here and now and later in the Kingdom as well.
The above coming from the very mouth of Christ should be proof He has no intent of ever canceling or voiding the 10 Commandments. Scriptures use in the two sections above show they are to be loved and obeyed by all the Saints of God. Long after the death and resurrection of Christ read what Paul has to say about the Law.
Romans 7: 12 “ Wherefore the law is Holy and the Commandment Holy and just and good.”
Why would God cancel something He made Holy, Just and Good? Are we not to become Holy, Just and Good exactly like our Savior? If God had to cancel the Law does that not infers God made a mistake? He made something HOLY and it turned out bad for man??
Do you teach God made a mistake by giving man His Commandments?
Written by Paul to converted Jews, Saints of God.
8 “If we say that we have no sin we deceive ourselves and the truth is not is us”.
The Saints of God can and do sin, if one claim they can no longer sin – they are liars.
9 “If we confess our sins He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.”
When the Saints sin and repent from time to time, we have a High Priest who is faithful and just to forgive our sins when they are repented of. And further Christ and the Father will continue to cleanse us of all our remaining unrighteousness, He continues the circumcision with out hands cleansing us over the course of our lives and replacing our nature with the Divine Nature of God the Father.
10 “If we say that we have not sinned we make Him a LIAR and His word is not in us.”
When some claim they can no longer sin — are they not calling Jesus Christ a LIAR??
Of a mortal certainty, if we lived in a sane world which could and would actually read and comprehend words as they are written, that would be the end of the matter.
But spiritual darkness and dimness of vision have other ideas entirely.
There is simply no way that the Law died with Messiah, and there is nothing written in Scripture or in the translations which state otherwise.
This is made abundantly apparent, even in the least faithful of translations.
Rom 3:31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.
no2truth,
Calling others moron, idiots, stupid etc., tells me you do not have truth but you come here just to make fun of Christians. God would NEVER act the way you do. I don’t know what kind of god told you to call others that, but please don’t say it was from the Bible.
You take the Bible out of context and in some cases just plain ignoring what it says when corrected and then calling it quits by saying “we are wasting your time”. Really? Would God say that? You sound like a huckster who wants to make a fast buck on a loose tooth.
Well, I hope you had your fun but you have been OUTED as I said you we would find out in a few days.
MSG Chicken
Sadly you are correct in your condemnation of yes2truth, this man is convinced no matter what he says or does it is not sin.
I only hope no others follow him in turning grace into lasciviousness.
It is written we would have MOCKERS in the last days.
Jude 1:18 How that they told you there should be mockers in the last time, who should walk after their own ungodly lusts.
the one who accuses you is Moses, in whom you have set your hope. John5
As many as desire to make a fair shew in the flesh, they constrain you to be circumcised; only lest they should suffer persecution for the cross of Christ. For neither they themselves who are circumcised keep the law; but desire to have you circumcised, that they may glory in your flesh.
Galatians6
But there rose up certain of the sect of the Pharisees which believed, saying, That it was needful to circumcise them, and to command them to keep the law of Moses..Now therefore why tempt ye God, to put a yoke upon the neck of the disciples, which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear? Acts15
For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ.
John 1
Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Moses gave you not that bread from heaven; but my Father giveth you the true bread from heaven.
John 6
for if there had been a law given which could have given life, verily righteousness should have been by the law.
Galatians 3…Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.
Let no man beguile you of your reward in a voluntary humility and worshipping of angels, intruding into those things which he hath not seen, vainly puffed up by his fleshly mind,
Colossians 2
If therefore perfection were by the Levitical priesthood, (for under it the people received the law,) what further need was there that another priest should rise after the order of Melchisedec, and not be called after the order of Aaron?For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law. Hebrews7
Tell me, ye that desire to be under the law, do ye not hear the law?For it is written, that Abraham had two sons, the one by a bondmaid, the other by a freewoman. But he who was of the bondwoman was born after the flesh; but he of the freewoman was by promise.Which things are an allegory: for these are the two covenants; the one from the mount Sinai, which gendereth to bondage, which is Agar.For this Agar is mount Sinai in Arabia, and answereth to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children. Galatians4
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How can you add the very Law that defines what sin is — because of sin?? This is impossible!!
Without law there is no such thing as sin, so because we had no such thing as sin we had to add the Law??? It make no sense – period.
What was added was the sacrificial Law which points to the need for a sacrifice thus Christ.
Here is an excerpt from the article:
Malachi 4:
4 “Remember to obey the Law of Moses, my servant—all the decrees and regulations that I gave him on Mount Sinai for all Israel.”
5 “Look, I am sending you the prophet Elijah before the great and dreadful Day of the Lord arrives.”
6 “His preaching will turn the hearts of fathers to their children, and the hearts of children to their fathers. Otherwise I will come and strike the land with a curse.”
We are told by Malachi to remember to obey the Law of Moses, why if we are no longer “under the Law”? Why are we left this reminder if the Law is to be nailed to the stake? Read again all six verses, God the Father is sending His Son Jesus Christ at the time of the end, which is at our door now, to strike the earth with the Day of the Lord which is the Wrath of God, And why, why this Curse?? We refuse to obey the LAW of God.
Also to discourage you from obeying the 10 Commandments some will tell you the Law of Moses demands animal sacrifices – not so! Another lie of Satan. The sacrificial law was not given on Mount Sinai, Gal. 3: 19, it is not part of the Law of Moses it was added due to the transgressing of the Law. And in Jeremiah 7: 22 “For I spake not unto your fathers, nor commanded them in the day that I brought them out of the land of Egypt concerning the matter of burnt offerings or sacrifices.” So !!! The sacrificial law is part of the Law of Moses???? How is that So??
Paul and Jeremiah just explained that is a LIE. The carnal human mind hates the perfect Law of liberty.
Now why do we keep the Law? Not for salvation, the Law can only point out your sin it can not say you?
All through the Word we are commanded to obey, to live by the law.
another excerpt;
Salvation is a free unearned gift given us by God the Father through His KINDNESS
His Favor, His Grace. We are called to salvation by our Father while yet sinners which demonstrates that grace, that kindness and that unfathomable LOVE the Father extends to us through Christ.
After baptism and after receiving the Holy Spirit we are bond servants to Christ (Philemon 1, & James 1: 1) who purchased us out from under the penalty of our sins by His sacrifice.
As bond servants it is our duty to obey our Master, our Master Jesus Christ wants His servants His Disciples to live in Righteousness the very Righteousness He came to earth and lived as our example to follow.
Christ obeyed and even now lives by the 10 Commandments and regularly taught them during His ministry but never claimed obeying them would earn salvation or even a reward: it is simply our duty as servants.
A soldier only gets a reward if he goes above and beyond his call of duty, he is expected and required to completely fulfill his duty. ‘Our duty’ is to obey every word of our Savior Christ Jesus, did He not say to us: “Why call you Me LORD LORD and do NOT the things I say?” The Saints of God are REQUIRED to live by and obey every Word of God. The Law of God absolutely was not nailed to the stake.
Here in Luke 17: 10 are the Words of our Savior explaining what was just stated above regarding our being His servants;
10 “So likewise ye when ye shall have done all those things which are COMMANDED YOU, say, we are unprofitable servants – We have done that which was our duty to do.”
God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high:Being made so much better than the angels, as he hath by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they.For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son?And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him. Hebrews1
But even unto this day, when Moses is read, the vail is upon their heart. Nevertheless when it shall turn to the Lord, the vail shall be taken away.2 Corinthians3
For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves: Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another Roman2
We do not receive our SALVATION by doing the works of the Law.
Can you explain to me how in the world that’s the same thing as saying all of us are EXCUSED from OBEYING the Law?
And perhaps you could do it without quoting Paul. Do you think anyone here has missed or overlooked anything the Apostle Paul ever wrote? We haven’t.
We are not under the Law.
This is NOT the same thing as saying the Law no longer abides. The Law abides.
Messiah fulfilled the Law.
This is NOT the same thing as saying that we should not try to do likewise; and that we are not OBLIGED to do so because it is our reasonable duty to do so.
And even though we cannot fulfill the Law perfectly as Messiah did, we have His Sacrifice to cover for our shortcomings. But again, this does NOT excuse us from the pursuit of obedience to the Statutes and Ordinances of a Contract which abides to this day. As long as the Heavens and Earth abide, the Contract abides. The Contract will probably abide even BEYOND these Heavens and this Earth. Nowhere is it written that the Contract will not abide; only that it would be EASIER for the Heavens and the Earth to pass away than it would for the Contract to fail, even in part.
Stop pretending not to understand this immeasurably important distinction.
The law and the prophets were until John. Luke16
But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law,To redeem them that were under the law Galatians4
O foolish Galatians, who hath bewitched you, that ye should not obey the truth, before whose eyes Jesus Christ hath been evidently set forth, crucified among you?This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh?Have ye suffered so many things in vain? if it be yet in vain.He therefore that ministereth to you the Spirit, and worketh miracles among you, doeth he it by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?
And the law is not of faith3
But without faith it is impossible to please him Hebrews 11
And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith PHILLIPIANS3
Good. So much for not quoting Paul. Now then, why don’t you go back and read every word the Apostle ever wrote, beginning with Romans chapter one.
Pretend you had NEVER heard it suggested that the LAW had been done away with at the hands of the Messiah, and by His Sacrifice, and then see if you can come away with such a message all on your own, simply by reading the letters of Paul in order and in context.
Line upon line.
Was it the LAW left nailed to the cross? Or was it the BILL.
Forget everything your pastor told you for a moment, and look on the letters for what they are and what they actually say.
This is what He audibly said verbatim one night just a few years back as I began to open a Gideon NT. After calling me by name and sitting on my left He then said -”I am Jesus, I died for your sins, believe in Me and you will never perish”.
Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.Verily, verily, I say unto you, The hour is coming, and now is, when the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God: and they that hear shall live. John5
Believe in Him.
And if you believe in Him in truth, then you will DO WHAT HE SAID to do.
Follow His Commandments.
Grace by faith. Salvation through grace.
And how is faith SHOWN?
Faith is shown by doing the works of the Law.
Thou believest that God is ONE? Thou doest well. But the devils believe ALSO…
…and tremble.
SOM1
The Law and the Prophets i.e. the Old Covenant, the old contract, was until John the Baptist.
John the Baptist prepared the way for Christ to introduce the New Covenant which still contains the obligation of the Law but now offered better promises, forgiveness and the Holy Spirit all bringing us to eternal life.
the sacrificial law is what the Jews thought produced righteousness. Read what Christ said to the Jewish leader of His day. Their “Works of the Law” is nothing. The “works of the Law” is the sacrificial laws which were add because of all of the sins of the children of Israel.
The righteousness of the Saints of God comes only by and through the Blood of Christ Jesus.
Forgiveness is by the sacrifice of Jesus Christ, But we are saved by His life, His resurrection.
Without Christ being brought out of His grave by our Father we have no eternal life.
The betrayer was Judas who was personified by Scorpio (the Scorpion). When the sun (Jesus) was in the house of Scorpio (Judas), the scorpion betrayed Jesus (the sun) with a kiss (a sting). The sun (Jesus) died an agonizing death, was stabbed by the Sagittarius spear on the cross, was placed into a cave tomb, and was raised from the dead 3 day’s later.
The 12 figures represent the 12 signs of the zodiac and them being gathered in 4 sets represent the 4 seasons, winter, spring, summer and fall. Jesus is the sun at the center.
Davinci’s painting is an astrological allegory as well.
If you could imagine a circle, divided into 12 slices, representing the 12 signs, and you drew 2 lines through the circle which intersected in the center, you would have a cross and 4 sections (the 4 seasons). This sectioning of the circle to represent the 4 seasons is where the Christian cross symbol came from. Jesus never actually existed but was simply a symbol of the sun personified, the cross was a common symbol of various sun worshiping cults because it was simply a sectioning of a circle representing the 4 seasons, the last supper never actually occurred…it’s all astronomical allegory.
Jesus (just as the spelling sounds) is absolutely the truth has been raised from the dead
The cross itself is an ancient astronomical symbol, used worldwide. It can represent any number of celestial crossing-points, but perhaps most often the intersection of the zodiac and the spring equinox. In ancient myths, references to sun-gods being sacrificed are “located” in one or another specific point of the zodiac, so a sacrifice by crucifixion would involve the sun at the spring equinox.
That could be why the resurrection story had to be moved from winter to spring — because Pisces, which had been the winter solstice constellation in 5000 BC, was now the spring equinox constellation — and why the crucifix became the primary symbol of Christianity where it had only been one among many symbols in earlier religious.
Crucifixion itself had been a form of ritual sacrifice before the Romans turned it into a means of offing common criminals — which is why it was appropriate for Christianity to reclaim its original religious significance.
30 days after the winter solstice, The sun is in the house of Aquarius. When Jesus is 30 years old, he meets John the Baptist. Jesus is the sun personified and John the Baptist is Aquarius personified. John the Baptist baptizes Jesus, then John is arrested and disappears from the story. Aquarius descends below the horizon. Six months later, Aquarius ascends in the east, head first, and the Bible says John the Baptist was beheaded. Back to the story, the sun is now in the house of Pisces, the fishes. Jesus meets Simon and Peter the 2 fishermen on the sea of Galilee. Jesus is the sun personified and Simon and Peter are Pisces personified. Jesus say’s follow me, and the fishermen drop their nets and follow Jesus. Pisces descends below the horizon following the sun, Jesus. And that’s the way it is. The Bible is astrology and once understood as such, makes perfect sense.
I would agree with all this but could you explain where Immanuel fits into this or did the Romans pull another fast one??? WHere Does it say in the Old testament god on earth was to be called jesus??? See Isaiah Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel.
Further EVEN in Matthew 1:22 it tells us the same see Matt 1:22 So all this was done that it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the Lord through the prophet, saying: 23 “Behold, the virgin shall be with child, and bear a Son, and they shall call His name Immanuel,” which is translated, “God with us.” The bible tells us there will be another helper besides the SON, The Holy Spirit(Ghost) whom the world cannot see(Accept) he will guide us into all truth period.
Regardless of your faiths or religions, dont matter. Ones religion is useless to the father it is man made. God will not be mocked.
If one does not obey the 10 commandments (which are not religious at all, they are for each and everyone to do), you are done for.
No debate about it.
Further if one does not follow the holy spirit on earth, well that is the unforgiveable sin in this world and the next.
Its cool yall banter about your personal opinions all day, but if you cant do what you were commanded to do in the first place it doesnt matter your opinion.
Unbelievers of the most high got it right they are doomed. There is light and there is darkness.
Darkness has no comprehension of the light. Nor does Light have ANY T H I N G to do with Darkness.
That Helper spoken of in John(its a Bible book and Revelations) is none other than Amen,
the true and faithful witness, the beginning of the creation of god and the priest over
the lukewarm church in rev.3:14 and further he is also defined in rev.19:11 as the true and faithful witness on the white horse who is true
and in righeousness he judges and makes war. and he even gets the last word in the bible = AMEN
Before I go further, AMEN is none other than Tut-Ankh-Amun. See people like to change things down here to suit their needs and speak not the truth.
Do not call Evil Good and Good Evil. Anyways King Tut(which is pronounced UUT not Tut. He is a Pharoah from Egypt whom was murdered by his bitch back in 13500BC.
He was a boy king whom reversed a false religion that the previous pharoah installed to mislead the people of earth, and reinstated the 1 God worship. Monotheism.
Anyways he is listed all throughout the Bible and is a well documented god in the bible, and Ancient Egyptian God.
It is funny how I hear of catholicism, Islam, even Bhuddists pray but end them with Amen…
People want to brownbag gods to suit their needs and justify their sins and even blame god for them,
prime example and a touchy subject Homosexuality or even casual sex for tha matter.
Now, both of those are well covered in the bile as sin and no sinner has a place in Heaven. So how is it that people expect great thingS from A
WORLD THAT SINS AND CASTS OUT THE WORD OF GOD?? iT WILL ONLY LEAD TO death. Wage of sin is Death.
Now, backing that up with the middle east today(hell breaking loose) Egypt has its freedom from the NWO today and is prepared to fight for the LORD,
Syria is fighting for their survival and Israel and Jerusalem are in between… Now Egypt will be sent the savior and he is the Great God of War AMEN,
and he will defend Syria and Jerusalem to the core…
See
Isaiah 19
New King James Version (NKJV)
Proclamation Against Egypt
19 The burden against Egypt.
1 Behold, the Lord rides on a swift cloud, And will come into Egypt; The idols of Egypt will totter at His presence,
And the heart of Egypt will melt in its midst.
2 “I will set Egyptians against Egyptians; Everyone will fight against his brother, And everyone against his neighbor,
City against city, kingdom against kingdom.
3 The spirit of Egypt will fail in its midst; I will destroy their counsel, And they will consult the idols and the charmers,
The mediums and the sorcerers.
4 And the Egyptians I will give Into the hand of a cruel master, And a fierce king will rule over them,” Says the Lord, the Lord of hosts.
5 The waters will fail from the sea, And the river will be wasted and dried up.
6 The rivers will turn foul; The brooks of defense will be emptied and dried up; The reeds and rushes will wither.
7 The papyrus reeds by the River,[a] by the mouth of the River, And everything sown by the River, Will wither, be driven away, and be no more.
8 The fishermen also will mourn; All those will lament who cast hooks into the River, And they will languish who spread nets on the waters.
9 Moreover those who work in fine flax And those who weave fine fabric will be ashamed;
10 And its foundations will be broken. All who make wages will be troubled of soul.
11 Surely the princes of Zoan are fools; Pharaoh’s wise counselors give foolish counsel. How do you say to Pharaoh, “I am the son of the wise,
The son of ancient kings?”
12 Where are they? Where are your wise men? Let them tell you now, And let them know what the Lord of hosts has purposed against Egypt.
13 The princes of Zoan have become fools; The princes of Noph[b] are deceived; They have also deluded Egypt, Those who are the mainstay of its tribes.
14 The Lord has mingled a perverse spirit in her midst; And they have caused Egypt to err in all her work, As a drunken man staggers in his vomit.
15 Neither will there be any work for Egypt, Which the head or tail, Palm branch or bulrush, may do.[c]
16 In that day Egypt will be like women, and will be afraid and fear because of the waving of the hand of the Lord of hosts,
which He waves over it.
17 And the land of Judah will be a terror to Egypt; everyone who makes mention of it will be afraid in himself,
because of the counsel of the Lord of hosts which He has determined against it. Egypt, Assyria, and Israel Blessed
18 In that day five cities in the land of Egypt will speak the language of Canaan and swear by the Lord of hosts;
one will be called the City of Destruction.[d]
19 In that day there will be an altar to the Lord in the midst of the land of Egypt,
and a pillar to the Lord at its border.
20 And it will be for a sign and for a witness to the Lord of hosts in the land of Egypt;
for they will cry to the Lord because of the oppressors, and He will send them a Savior and a Mighty One, and He will deliver them.
21 Then the Lord will be known to Egypt, and the Egyptians will know the Lord in that day,
and will make sacrifice and offering; yes, they will make a vow to the Lord and perform it.
22 And the Lord will strike Egypt, He will strike and heal it; they will return to the Lord, and He will be entreated by them and heal them.
23 In that day there will be a highway from Egypt to Assyria, and the Assyrian will come into Egypt and the Egyptian into Assyria,
and the Egyptians will serve with the Assyrians.
24 In that day Israel will be one of three with Egypt and Assyria—a blessing in the midst of the land,
25 whom the Lord of hosts shall bless, saying, “Blessed is Egypt My people, and Assyria the work of My hands, and Israel My inheritance.”
A lawless society is a degenerate society.
I joyfully concur with the Law of God in the inner man.