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COG Armstrong stuff.
God is letting mankind learn the hard way that mans way does not work.
No, you are very wrong here. This does not explain people who do not suffer such as babies and young children dying, etc. Mr. Armstrong is the theorist here I know and for awhile I believed it but not anymore. It simply does not make sense if you know the verse below.
He will wipe away every tear from their eyes. Death will no longer exist; grief, crying, and pain will exist no longer, because the previous things have passed away. (Rev 21:4)
And again:
“For I will create a new heaven and a new earth; the past events will not be remembered or come to mind. (Isa 65:17)
So if we cannot recall the past (thank God) then our suffering was NOT for character purposes. Actually it is something very, very spooky. This is actually a form of brainwashing!
Rather our suffering was the CURSE God put on mankind FROM sin!
I am learning from this site that logic is not taught in the world. Neither how to read the Bible.
Hebrews 5: 7 -9
“Who in the days of this flesh when He had offered up prayers an supplications with strong crying and tears unto Him that was able to save Him from death and was heard in that He feared.
Though He were a Son yet LEARNED He OBEDIENCE by the THINGS which He SUFFERED:
“And being made perfect He became the author of eternal salvation unto ALLl them that
OBEY HIM!”
We are to learn that fornication, stealing, etc hurts bad in the long run if not immediately.
My quote above which you claim is armstrong is a paraphrase of the scripture above.
When I go to the dentist for some really painful work, as I sit in the chair I know I am about to die. As I write this I can vaguely remember any of it. But it convinces me to take care of my teeth.
If you have, as you are inferring studied, then you should know that only using your brain there is not a way you have a chance to understand two words from Gods word.
If you are interested in TRUTH study the Word on your knees in prayer.
Still does not explain children and babies dying. They never suffered to build character.
Jesus had to go through what the Father TOLD him as it is written:
(Isa 53:10) Yet it pleased the LORD to bruise him; he hath put him to grief: when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin, …
So that he could qualify as Savior “an offering for sin” and save man, not so man suffers but by HIS OWN suffering we OBEY him and be saved!
OUR SUFFERING counts to nothing for God! But everything to Jesus so we can be saved.
Bottom line: Don’t worry about your teeth, it won’t save you!
Your problem is you are believing the same lie that the 4000 + so called christian churches believe.
This is not the only day of salvation!
Use a little logic, if God is trying to save ever person He is failing miserably! From Adam until now it can not be proved that even 10% of mankind has been saved.
Even now only about 20 to 25% of the whole world can be called some flavor of christian.
And I have real doubts about 24.9% of them.
So what happens to the 100 billion that lived from Adam until now?? I got that number from the web. If, which I doubt, 10% were saved then 90,000,000,000 die.
Read Revelation 20: 5, the rest of the dead do not live again until after the 1000 year reign of Jesus Christ. God does not think like you or any man, He does have a plan and it will be completed as preplanned before creation and possibly 98% of man will live for all eternity.
I do not know the percentage, it totally depends upon each person and if they are willing.
That is what you bring to the plate — you must be willing. You are the clay and God is the potter.
You are mad at God the Father because He is not doing things YOUR WAY.
Yes, yes, I know about the Day of Salvation. It is not the only day. There is a mistranslation many do not realize.
What I’m saying is that suffering to build character I don’t believe in anymore as Mr. Armstrong thought. We are going to go through some kind of brainwashing technique so we can FORGET ABOUT THE HORRORS our suffering brought.
So, it is not a character/suffering thing. I don’t believe in that anymore.
God will eliminate DEATH, then MEMORY so we have complete JOY in the NEW way. Whatever happens in this world is completely linear so it will not affect us anymore. Thank God for that.
Do you want bad memories for eternity???
First of all Israel whom is jacob nor judah has been done away with. Even though you all would like it that way. In the scriptures which is sealed to those who cant see will never fully understand the bible anyway. The bible is a manual for judah and all of israel. To warn us about this trouble. Jacob has been going through the ringer since the begining of the world. How can you sit here and try to explain the bible when you dont understand what it is saying? I am soooo tired of all these mainstream preachers who dont know what they are talking about! Done away with? Absolutly not. Me bieng from the tribe of Judah I’m still here and protected. If the world dont turn back to the original creator and not these pegan gods then you too will be in trouble not just jacob whom is Israel.
Not sure what you are talking about, but I will let the scriptures from the Word of God speak for themselves.
Ask me any question about anything in the bible and I will be able to give total insight on what you must do in order to survive and understand our book.
My Father gives me all the understanding that I need! I never look to women.
what father are you speaking of. And if it wasn’t for a woman then you wouldn’t have life! Anyway…. I don’t know what your talking about here. You are very unlearned in scripture. Rev 13:10 says he who leads into captivity shall go into captivity. You are leading people the wrong way with your lies. You don’t even know whom Jacob or judah is. And Jacob had 12 sons. Do your research. When it speaks of ephriham it speaks of the native americans and judah is the negroes. They will not fight anymore because they will know who they are and band together again to fight the last battle. Plus no other nations are treated with severity except the so called minorities of the world which is Israel. And the land of israel is not what it speaks oof in scriture. That land is called canaan. The land of the promise that we will inherit. And what about the kingdom? I guess nobody wants to speak of that either.
There are 5 sections to my post, I go in depth to Jacob and his 12 sons and to what nations they grew into. I actually just read more of your comment above, are you drunk??
Israel is not a land mass its a person. It didn’t become the land of Israel until 1948.
Truthseeker
I’ve believed all my Bible believing life believing believers in The Lord Jesus Christ were delivered from the time wrath which is to come by His finished work on the tree for us & God, ”the Mighty One of Jacob” raising him from the dead. UnLimited Atonement. Romans 5:8-10. 8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us. 9 Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him. 10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled , we shall be saved by his life. 1 Thessalonians 1:10 And to wait for his Son from heaven, whom He raised from the dead, even Jesus, which delivered us from the wrath to come.
Your study here, which is well put together has sparked an interest to re-look at this. Even though I haven’t subscribed to this view, I find it compelling to re-read. That tells me in my spirit something is UP! Thank you, more than I can say.